godfather
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From what I understand the black prince was named that because of the color of his armor. So what color was his armor black or dark iron? Any help appreciated
black prince's armour colour?
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Uruk-Hai
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His coat of peace were in black with three white(argent) feathers on.
That is his blazon not the armour.
His coat of arms were the traditionally red/blue squares with lilies and gepards.
Mike Blank did an Andrea figure in an article for Military Modelling about 10 years ago. Good reference for the heraldry.
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That is his blazon not the armour.
His coat of arms were the traditionally red/blue squares with lilies and gepards.
Mike Blank did an Andrea figure in an article for Military Modelling about 10 years ago. Good reference for the heraldry.
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Einion
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The Black Prince being named for his armour is now generally considered to be apocryphal.
It appears not to have been used at the time but applied later; it's quite likely that chroniclers and historians looked for reasonable (or romantic) explanations for it over the centuries and this is just one of those.
Einion
It appears not to have been used at the time but applied later; it's quite likely that chroniclers and historians looked for reasonable (or romantic) explanations for it over the centuries and this is just one of those.
Einion
John Bowery
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Godfather,
Below is a link that I used when I painted my Figure. It lists the Family and History and is very informative. He is buried in Canterbury Cathedral in England and you can see some of his clothes on display above the Burial spot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward,_the_Black_Prince
Hope that this helps
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John
Below is a link that I used when I painted my Figure. It lists the Family and History and is very informative. He is buried in Canterbury Cathedral in England and you can see some of his clothes on display above the Burial spot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward,_the_Black_Prince
Hope that this helps
Cheers
John
Uruk-Hai
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Heres a pic of the heraldry, I think its still used by the Prince of Wales.
The shield and coat above the effigy is reproduction if Im not mistaken. The real ones are kept at a safe place which I can understand from all the graffiti thats been carved in to the sandstone in the basement.
The shield and coat above the effigy is reproduction if Im not mistaken. The real ones are kept at a safe place which I can understand from all the graffiti thats been carved in to the sandstone in the basement.
John Bowery
A Fixture
Urak-Hai,
According to the website Quote
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The Prince of Wales's feathers is the heraldic badge of the Prince of Wales. It consists of three white feathers behind a gold coronet. A ribbon below the coronet bears the motto Ich dien (German for "I serve", a contraction of ich diene). As well as being used in royal heraldry, the badge is used to symbolise Wales, particularly Welsh rugby union and Welsh rugby league.
A painted carving on the main gate of Oriel College, Oxford depicting the emblem of the Prince of Wales
The badge is thought to have originated with Edward, the Black Prince, Ruler of Wales. According to legend, the Black Prince obtained the arms from John I of Bohemia, against whom he fought in the Battle of Crécy in 1346. After the battle, the prince went to the body of the dead king (whom he admired for his bravery) and took his helmet, lined with ostrich feathers. The feathers and the dead king's motto made up the prince's new badge and came to be used by subsequent Princes of Wales.
The origin of both the feathers and the motto may have a less romantic history, with indications that the arms were inherited by the prince from his father.
Technically the badge should be described as the Duke of Cornwall's feathers, as the badge is that of the eldest son of the sovereign, whether or not he has been invested as Prince of Wales.
According to the website Quote
"
The Prince of Wales's feathers is the heraldic badge of the Prince of Wales. It consists of three white feathers behind a gold coronet. A ribbon below the coronet bears the motto Ich dien (German for "I serve", a contraction of ich diene). As well as being used in royal heraldry, the badge is used to symbolise Wales, particularly Welsh rugby union and Welsh rugby league.
A painted carving on the main gate of Oriel College, Oxford depicting the emblem of the Prince of Wales
The badge is thought to have originated with Edward, the Black Prince, Ruler of Wales. According to legend, the Black Prince obtained the arms from John I of Bohemia, against whom he fought in the Battle of Crécy in 1346. After the battle, the prince went to the body of the dead king (whom he admired for his bravery) and took his helmet, lined with ostrich feathers. The feathers and the dead king's motto made up the prince's new badge and came to be used by subsequent Princes of Wales.
The origin of both the feathers and the motto may have a less romantic history, with indications that the arms were inherited by the prince from his father.
Technically the badge should be described as the Duke of Cornwall's feathers, as the badge is that of the eldest son of the sovereign, whether or not he has been invested as Prince of Wales.
Uruk-Hai
PlanetFigure Supporter
Thanks John!
Do you know if my assumption about this has something to do about the nickname "Black Prince"?
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Do you know if my assumption about this has something to do about the nickname "Black Prince"?
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John Bowery
A Fixture
Janne,
Follows is the only thing I found on the Name "Black Prince" So I beleive you are correct
"Although Edward is almost always now called the "Black Prince", there is no record of this name being used during his lifetime. He was instead known as Edward of Woodstock, after his place of birth. The "Black Prince" sobriquet "is first found in writing in Richard Grafton's Chronicle of England". [1] Its origin is uncertain; according to tradition, it derived from an ornate black cuirass (piece of body armor) presented to the young prince by Edward III at the battle of Crécy.
It is possible that the name was first coined by French chroniclers in reference to the ruinous military defeats he had inflicted on France or his cruelty in these."
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John
Follows is the only thing I found on the Name "Black Prince" So I beleive you are correct
"Although Edward is almost always now called the "Black Prince", there is no record of this name being used during his lifetime. He was instead known as Edward of Woodstock, after his place of birth. The "Black Prince" sobriquet "is first found in writing in Richard Grafton's Chronicle of England". [1] Its origin is uncertain; according to tradition, it derived from an ornate black cuirass (piece of body armor) presented to the young prince by Edward III at the battle of Crécy.
It is possible that the name was first coined by French chroniclers in reference to the ruinous military defeats he had inflicted on France or his cruelty in these."
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John
Uruk-Hai
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Thanks for that John!
I thought it had to do with his "coat of peace", and I blame Mike Blank for that. ;D
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I thought it had to do with his "coat of peace", and I blame Mike Blank for that. ;D
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godfather
Well-Known Member
one more question
would the strap on his armour been painted blue as well? or simply leather. BTW I will paint his Armour as per usual no fancy black stuff thanks for all your input. It seem quite clear that his armour was not black nor his nick name it seems.
would the strap on his armour been painted blue as well? or simply leather. BTW I will paint his Armour as per usual no fancy black stuff thanks for all your input. It seem quite clear that his armour was not black nor his nick name it seems.
John Bowery
A Fixture
Godfather,
I used the blue on the armour straps as per Luca Olivieri SBS. I thought it looked good. I tried to find the SBS but could not find it. There is a photo of it in Luca's Collage photo in his V-Bench.
Cheers
John
I used the blue on the armour straps as per Luca Olivieri SBS. I thought it looked good. I tried to find the SBS but could not find it. There is a photo of it in Luca's Collage photo in his V-Bench.
Cheers
John
