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This was picked up when he started listing these around 6 weeks ago & several members of tbforum reported the items to Ebay. Unfortunately he's still allowed to trade.

Geoff
 
Rip-offs in general are bad. But ripping off Young is the worst. There is absolutely no way we should allow Young to be outpriced and driven out of business.
 
just reported his obvious rip off of "lucky jack".......you think if your going to steal someone elses work you would at least put up your own pictures

Maybe if e-bay wont do anything about it we all just send the seller an e-mail just saying "criminal"............it would cetainly fill up his inbox and annoying him if nothing else
 
polyphemus said:
This was picked up when he started listing these around 6 weeks ago & several members of tbforum reported the items to Ebay. Unfortunately he's still allowed to trade.
eBay slow to get a counterfeiter off the site?! What a shocker! Gawd they're bad, how the hell they can continue to be this slow to take action after all these years is beyond me.

Einion
 
Y.M. COPIES on ebay.

He's been at it for ages Carl and with Pegaso 90mm's as well. He still only has an ebay feedback rating of (19) which speaks volumes I suggest! I emailed and asked him if they were Y.M. knockoff's and the e-bay seller said - "No, they are by a new company called "M MODEL' based in Eastern Europe"...........yeah, right!

I let Y.M. know and got a nice reply from them. It seems however that despite the owner of Y.M. contacting ebay, ebay have (still) done nothing to stop him.

Given the prices he's asking they are only a few quid cheaper than the real deal if bought from a reputable and cheap trader like Steve Kirtley; as such, why bother buying his crappy resin re-pops for the sake of a fiver?

I think the sales figures speak for themselves and they should not, hopefully, impact on Y.M. to any degree.

Gary
 
Gees, these are the guys that make it hard for the real companies to continue to deliver us superior products. The only comfort we can take is his casting skills are very poor and anyone who buys one of these isn't serious about the hobby anyway.
 
I reported 4 separate items that this guy has listed (there are many more) to Ebay last week-got the standard E.Mail back to say that they would investigate-nothing more since and the items are still listed. In short they are going to do nothing, but what I find difficult to understand is the reluctance of the manufacturers to protect their own property. Young, Andrea, Seil, Pegaso, Verlinden and Romeo are being ripped off every day by this guy in the UK, Gustavo in Buones Aires, and numerous polish painters offering their figures pre painted in resin copies. It may well be that it is just too difficult to protect your intellectual property across borders. Another point worth mentioning is that at over £200 for a Pegaso mounted kit maybe they are making sufficient margin to cover their costs initially and it is just not worth chasing the guys who are knocking them out at £50...who knows?
Keith
 
Einion, maybe it's because the injured party (Young in this case) hasn't informed eBay that their property has been counterfeited and offered for sale on the auction site.
Maybe they're not counterfeit, maybe Young has authorised them, maybe, maybe maybe...
I actually think eBay are right to NOT react to complaints from uninjured parties.

Having said that, I know this is a small community and I hope someone has informed Young of a possible infringement of his rights. As the potential injured party it is up to him and him alone to decide a course of action. eBay may, or may not, take action against a fraudulent seller but there are also other avenues to explore if an offence has taken place - Trading Standards for instance. The seller in question is UK-based and I'm confident there would be plenty of UK-based modellers who would be happy to assist Young with translations, e-mail adresses, phone numbers etc should he need it.
If Young is informed and decides to take no action, that is his business and his alone.
Regards,
Jon.

P.S. I've just seen the posting above (made at the same time as mine) saying that Young has been informed. If he's confident he's been ripped-off I feel he should look to the proper authorities, not to eBay.
 
I agree totally with you Jonathan, it is unrealistic to expect Ebay to be able to police the many thousands of items posted daily on their site. There have been a number of very high profile court cases between Ebay and manufacturers of high quality items (Louis Viton is one) whose counterfeits are being sold via Ebay. In France they lost and are appealing in NY I believe the court ruled in favour of Ebay and the manufacturers are appealing...and so it goes on. In my opinion it is up to the manufacturers to police their goods and rely on Ebay to react to the information given...at the moment neither seems to be happening so "Caveat Emptor" remains the order of the day.
Keith
 
I see they even copied one of my old sculps fpr Warriors (no clue why... the original bust from Warriors is cheaper). They used the boxart I painted as well, with a crappy photo shopped version to remove the Warriors banner on the bottom of the piece. Pretty funny how blatant they are.
 
He says in his post that he prefers personal checks. To send payment you would need to get his mailing address. Sounds like it would be pretty easy to track the guy down.
 
Young has to take an action himself and report him to eBay via VeRO system.
They will take the Young's fake busts off eBay in a day or two.
Other than this, don't bother. It won't work.
 
I to have been ripped off by an Ebay trader in China, having complained, the item was initially withdrawn but the individual readvertises. I also have retail enquires from abroad and some concern me that figures sold will end up being recast. I commisson sculptors at great cost to introduce new and original figures for modellers to enjoy, and in this economical climate profits are extremely tight without the worry of theives stealing your work. Somebody/people must be buying from these crooks and they should be educated to the consequences or small companies like mine will be irretrivably damaged. I am comforted by the knowledge that modellers on this site seem genuinely concerned about this problem and the only way to prevent piracy is to buy from reputable sources.


Rob.
 
He says in his post that he prefers personal checks. To send payment you would need to get his mailing address. Sounds like it would be pretty easy to track the guy down.

And do what? Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see guys like that dragged through the streets from a trailer hitch on my truck but its not like anyone is ever going to do anything.

Piracy will always be around so long as someone is looking for "a deal". While there are plenty of folks on this forum and others that see it for what it is, we are but a drop in the "market" bucket. I fear it is an occupational hazard and one that will always be with us.
I wonder if we are reaching the peak of what the market can bear. I understand that no one is being paid what they are worth when it comes to sculpts and production, but is it realistic to think that as times get harder, manufacturers and producers should charge more for their figures to make up for costs or should they back off a bit, lower prices to spur sales and weather through a hard market and when things get better increase prices? How often have members of this forum told neophytes wanting to produce a commercial line of figures that its great to do but don't expect to make a living at it? Is it a case of expecting too much? Trademark, copyright and intellectual property law is not about wrong or right but who has the deeper pockets. Small guys don't stand a chance against a larger company, and international cases are impossible to enforce, control or bring to trial. If it were the case otherwise, there are alot of guys here that would be sitting pretty on their judgment earnings.

I know that at Atlanta, I looked at figure prices and suffered some sticker shock. I suddenly became very discriminating in what I wanted and was willing to pay for figures. No longer will I accept the "production flaws" or less than stellar sculpts, and I have narrowed my figure focus to things I will do in a short time rather than build up a stash and they are subjects I really want. Not something that I look at and think "that might be something different to do." This attitude is shared by more than just me and ripe for counterfittiers.

So as prices edge up, counterfeits will too. Simple enough to just stay loyal, bite the bullet and pay the extra. Ignore the inevitable, it will always be there. E-bay will not care, they have been successful at beating most of the counterfeit law suits they've been implicated in, and they are really nothing more than a pawn shop selling stolen goods. In short, they are too big to care or for any of us to do anything that will effect change.
 
Is there a list of these creeps

I am getting rid of a number of figures on EBay and notice that there are several suspicious dealers, one advertises that figure is in suitable box.

Could someone post a list of these crooks. Obviously if the are recasting they are not up to the original standards. I bought one thinking I was getting a real Andrea Figure and instead got a recast that doesn't fit as well.
 
Mike Spivey; if you get his address a manufacturer who is wounded can deliver the cease & desist letter from an attorney. Maybe spook the guy maybe not but it is better than doing nothing. I'm not talking about showing up on his door step with a monkey wrench or anything.
 
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