Crimea guards drummers sword advice/help

[Gra30]

Hi all,
With the wealth of knowledge on here I hoped someone could shed some light on this for me.
I am researching a guards drummer of Crimea.
Although I have seen this on figures before, from my research the sword shown first below only came into service in 1856. It is the MkI 1856 and was the first I can gather of this style.
As the piece is 1854 I am assuming the standard 1796 sword was carried, or was there a sword inbetween the 1796 and 1856.
Thank you in advance, I have searched numerous forums and at present my gut feeling is the 1796 sword

Here is a link to the drummers sword 1796

http://www.militaryheritage.com/1796sjt.htm
Gra

1796 sword

 

[Gra30]

Just bumping up, if anyone can help really appreciated as this is the last piece of info needed.
Thank you

 

[kagemusha]

Hi Gra....this is what I had in my references....not sure if it helps

While the Sergeant's sword was a mark of rank, the Drummer's sword was his only defence. Since many of the Drummers and Fifers were younger and smaller in stature, it was necessary for the blades of these swords either be short or curved like light cavalry sabres so they did not drag on the ground.
Pictorial evidence from the late 18th century shows a variety of regimental patterns being used. In 1796 a standard pattern was selected for the Army's Drummers that had a 24 inch straight blade. Aside from the shorter blade it was identical to the Sergeant's pattern. Again it is likely this sword was carried by "the Drums" of some regiments prior to this date.




Cheers

Ron

 

[arj]

Hi Graham,

I haven't got anything specifically referring to the Guards and therefore don't know if this will be of any use.
The attached are pages from the book 'Swords of the British Army' by Brian Robson.
I've scanned the first few pages that refer to Drummers' swords.



The new design (shown in all its glory) is dated 1856, so whatever was worn by the drummers of the Crimea period is likely to be indicated on pages 251 and 252.

Cheers,
Andrew

 

[martin tabony]

You could ask at the Victorian Wars Forum http://www.victorianwars.com/

Martin

 

[Gra30]

Hi Ron, Andrew and Martin,
Thanks very much, cheers Ron, that is bang on the sword I found mate. Thanks Andrew and Martin, that is the 1856 version but as you say Martin the forum may be my best bet. One other mate is sorting some info so hopefully.
I should be able to show the reason behind this soon
All the very best and thanks

 

[stu]

Got the info for you gra...will mail you the pics later.

Its states a guards sergeants sword 1822 pattern...but shortened by 3 to 5 inches depending on their age and size

Stu

 

[Gra30]

Many thanks Stu, you're a star.
Ta mate