Historical Correctness

[fmenardi]

Hello, all!
I am wondering what is "wrong" with the following figures. The first one, in 54mm, is from Art Girona, Gundaharius, 5th century. The second, is from the Pegaso Models, a Marcomannic warrior, 2th century, in 75mm.
Despite some minor differences on the sword, knife and shield, I think these two figures are from the same period. But, I don't know which...
Any help is welcome.
Thank you in advance,
Fabrício Menardi

 

[Mark S]

Well perhaps just go down the middle and call them both 3rd and a half century and call it even.

 

[fmenardi]

I don't think it is an answer.

 

[Aveleira]

Well, isn't only the timeline that may no be correct... Being from Burgundy or a Marcommanic is being from different places in Europe... Don't know exactly if the cloth are similar.... It's an interesting question... I see the Pegaso figure as a barbarian fighting along side with romans in the Marcommanic wars, that's why he has some Roman equipment.
The other one, I think that he belong to a tribe also ally with Rome. The thing that can make them very similar is how you paint the cloths... A little deep investigation and I think that you can figure out how to paint, and them they could be a little more different... May it's possible that they were in reality not that different..

 

[fmenardi]

Hello, Avellar!
Thank you for the answer.
I know the Burgundy and the Marcomannic are differens things, a kingdom and a germanic tribe. My question is about the continuous use of same kind of clothes and equipment for a relatively long period of time (three centuries). Is it historically correct or possible?

 

[Filipe]

Fabrício (do GPC, de Campinas? )

Gunther, the King of Burgundy, is a very unknown character, moustly famous by the Nibelung Saga. There is almost no archeological or pictorial evidence of him.

Since the burgundians and the marcomanni shared geographic space (so, the same archeological evidence may be used, or misused, with both subjetcs) and the celtic-style influence, the similarities are plausible, even with a "large" period of time.

Finally, i think that the origin of the confusion is that both sculptors "inspired" themselves in the same picture, of the "Barbarians" book by Concord publications.

So, to be honest, the Gunther of Burgundy figure is almost on the "fantasy" side of the line. I dont think that any hard evidence exists against both of figures in the same vignette, for example. The late roman period is a crazy mix

Regards to all

Filipe from Brazil

 

[Aveleira]

Well Filipe is very well informed, so I might agree with I'm.
Yes that late Roman period is very mixed... I think that there wasn't much rules for the armys, and there was more non-romans fighting along side with romans than before... we were getting to middle ages.... Rome was going out the window.

 

[Mark S]

.... It's an interesting question... I see the Pegaso figure as a barbarian fighting along side with romans in the Marcommanic wars, that's why he has some Roman equipment.

I see the figure as a Marcomannic warrior that has captured the equipment he is using.
The Pegaso figures historical notes state ~

"....The Marcomannics were one of Rome's 'clients' or 'patrons' but in the 2nd century AD, they negated this alliance. This breach of pact lead to their defeat by Marcus Aurelius, who in honour of this victory against the Marcomannics, Quadi and Samaratians erected a column in Rome. This column commemorating the victory is still preserved at the square of Monte Citorio. The Marcomannics disappeared from history in the 5th century AD."

 

[Aveleira]

I see the figure as a Marcomannic warrior that has captured the equipment he is using.
The Pegaso figures historical notes state ~

"....The Marcomannics were one of Rome's 'clients' or 'patrons' but in the 2nd century AD, they negated this alliance. This breach of pact lead to their defeat by Marcus Aurelius, who in honour of this victory against the Marcomannics, Quadi and Samaratians erected a column in Rome. This column commemorating the victory is still preserved at the square of Monte Citorio. The Marcomannics disappeared from history in the 5th century AD."

Ok then.... I stayed in 2th century Nice to learn with you guys.

Regards
Pedro