Roc
A Fixture
How do you judge the judging in general? Please explain.
Cheers
Roc
Cheers
Roc
How do you judge the judging in general?
- Thread starter Roc
- Start date
Help Support planetFigure:
Anders Heintz
A Fixture
I voted "Excellent"
I have been part of a few judging teams over the years and after being part of the process one gets a lot more respect for the task they have to complete. From my experience the decisions have always been discussed throughly and 95% of the time the piece got the award that it deserved.
With that said, there are always a few pieces each show that makes you shake your head and not knowing what the judges was thinking. Sometimes a piece gets a higer medal then it deserves but most of the time it is the other way around.
I think the thing that bothers me the most about judging is the bias towards one medium or other and the style of the painters. Some judges will judge anything in acrylics high while others will mark it down low. But that is the inherent nature of the beast and is why there are 3 or more people on a judging team to balance this out. The real key in deciding on the judges is to put different people from different backgrounds together for the team, and not 3 acrylic painters etc.
Over all I think the judging is done fairly and with no mean spirits involved. It is interesting to see how different judges look at different things at different shows. Sometimes you will get a gold at one show, then at the next one you will get a bronze with the same piece. No big deal as the medals is not what most of us go to the shows for, but it makes it a little tricker for one to judge where you are in your painting skills.
I have been part of a few judging teams over the years and after being part of the process one gets a lot more respect for the task they have to complete. From my experience the decisions have always been discussed throughly and 95% of the time the piece got the award that it deserved.
With that said, there are always a few pieces each show that makes you shake your head and not knowing what the judges was thinking. Sometimes a piece gets a higer medal then it deserves but most of the time it is the other way around.
I think the thing that bothers me the most about judging is the bias towards one medium or other and the style of the painters. Some judges will judge anything in acrylics high while others will mark it down low. But that is the inherent nature of the beast and is why there are 3 or more people on a judging team to balance this out. The real key in deciding on the judges is to put different people from different backgrounds together for the team, and not 3 acrylic painters etc.
Over all I think the judging is done fairly and with no mean spirits involved. It is interesting to see how different judges look at different things at different shows. Sometimes you will get a gold at one show, then at the next one you will get a bronze with the same piece. No big deal as the medals is not what most of us go to the shows for, but it makes it a little tricker for one to judge where you are in your painting skills.
btavis
A Fixture
I have judged maybe a dozen times in various shows and I would say for the most part the judging is quite fair and judges do deliberate collectively so it has never been my experience that there was any individual bias effecting the outcome. However, having been on the receiving side I agree with Anders that taking the same piece to different shows invariably results in a wide range of assessments. I have had the same piece get BoS, golds and then a bronze. But realistically, if you talk to the judges they usually do have good observations and it all must be taken in stride and it is all part of the experience. I would say that judges take their roles seriously and they are most often the guys we respect as artists in their own right.
bonehead
A Fixture
Judging judging: there's a dichotomy for you. Asking people what they think about judging is a bit like asking what they think of broccoli. Some like it, some don't. And it is completely subjective anyway.
But I think Bob is expressing it in the best way here. Judging is SUBJECTIVE! It is not "scientific" or some perfectly established monolithic pardigm. It is asking a given person (the judge) what they think of this or that. And you will get as many answers as there are people judging.
Sometimes you do well, sometimes you don't. And that is really what people concern themselves with when it comes to judging. I have gotten awards when I thought they were undeserved. And, I have been spurned when I thought I should have done better. C'est la vie!
If we all guide our lives by what other people think of us, we will have triumphs and disappointments. That is the nature of things. But to put the blame on this amorphous thing called "judging" is missing the point altogether.
In other words, get over yourself! Most judges have the best intentions. Those who clearly don't, usually get found out right away and they are not asked to judge again. But judges are human too. And, some like broccoli and some don't. If your work is broccoli, then, well, do I need to explain that? Sometimes being judged is like playing the lotto.
So, if your ego is easily bruised, then you can always put a little stamp on your entry blank that says "NOT IN COMPETITION". That way the "evil judges" can't diss you.
Or, you can do like Bob does. Take it in stride and try to use it as a learning experience. That is getting over your silly ego, trying to gain more understanding and learning how to improve.
That is a whole lot better than wallowing in the quagmire of your own, self-inflicted, obfuscations. Do you know what I mean?
Cheers!!
Mike
But I think Bob is expressing it in the best way here. Judging is SUBJECTIVE! It is not "scientific" or some perfectly established monolithic pardigm. It is asking a given person (the judge) what they think of this or that. And you will get as many answers as there are people judging.
Sometimes you do well, sometimes you don't. And that is really what people concern themselves with when it comes to judging. I have gotten awards when I thought they were undeserved. And, I have been spurned when I thought I should have done better. C'est la vie!
If we all guide our lives by what other people think of us, we will have triumphs and disappointments. That is the nature of things. But to put the blame on this amorphous thing called "judging" is missing the point altogether.
In other words, get over yourself! Most judges have the best intentions. Those who clearly don't, usually get found out right away and they are not asked to judge again. But judges are human too. And, some like broccoli and some don't. If your work is broccoli, then, well, do I need to explain that? Sometimes being judged is like playing the lotto.
So, if your ego is easily bruised, then you can always put a little stamp on your entry blank that says "NOT IN COMPETITION". That way the "evil judges" can't diss you.
Or, you can do like Bob does. Take it in stride and try to use it as a learning experience. That is getting over your silly ego, trying to gain more understanding and learning how to improve.
That is a whole lot better than wallowing in the quagmire of your own, self-inflicted, obfuscations. Do you know what I mean?
Cheers!!
Mike
Roc
A Fixture
I voted good, I believe the majority of the judges are fair and very honest individuals, and they should be commended.
Cheers
Roc.
Cheers
Roc.
Ok so what exactly does the word judging mean? In my humble opinion it's only another man's opinion of your work. If you take your work to the local club, like I do, your work is actually being judged. And for what? Only to improve. So use results for this reason and try to better your work. And most importantly have fun doing it. Yes I agree that most judges are fair and do their job to their best ability. Now I don't say this because I too am a judge in international shows but because I feel that once a judge has bad intentions he will be filtered out immediately. That way only the better ones remain.
Stephen Mallia
Stephen Mallia
megroot
A Fixture
I think it is good.
When you are a judge i think you can only do your best to look with a clear mind, and you give the best out of yourself.
Remember: As a judge you can do no good for everybody.
The judge's have my deepest respect. They do some hell of a job..
Marc
When you are a judge i think you can only do your best to look with a clear mind, and you give the best out of yourself.
Remember: As a judge you can do no good for everybody.
The judge's have my deepest respect. They do some hell of a job..
Marc
Ernest
A Fixture
In my country, well........very poor 
tonydawe
A Fixture
I've been a judge, and been judged.
I think most judges try their best to be fair, and generally get it right. Few people who win awards at shows complain about the judging at those shows.
Unfortunately, there will always be some people who will disagree with the judges decisions and when their own work fails to get rewarded, they will complain and accuse judges of bias and prejudice.
This becomes an even bigger problem when people earn some or all of the income from modelling, and need to win awards to enhance their reputation and maximise their income. For these people poor judging at shows can cost them a lot of money.
Ultimately if competitions are not seen to be judged fairly, people will not enter them, and will not agree to judge them.
Cheers
I think most judges try their best to be fair, and generally get it right. Few people who win awards at shows complain about the judging at those shows.
Unfortunately, there will always be some people who will disagree with the judges decisions and when their own work fails to get rewarded, they will complain and accuse judges of bias and prejudice.
This becomes an even bigger problem when people earn some or all of the income from modelling, and need to win awards to enhance their reputation and maximise their income. For these people poor judging at shows can cost them a lot of money.
Ultimately if competitions are not seen to be judged fairly, people will not enter them, and will not agree to judge them.
Cheers
Bluesking
A Fixture
On the whole I find judging to be fair and as long as it is honest I have no complaints. One thing I have an issue with is this - on one occassion a few years ago I overheard a fellow judge criise a figure because it was painted in the wrong shade, yet another figure in the same class was also inaccurate but because it was a period the judge wasn't familiar with - got better points.
Einion
A Fixture
Which show? Which category? Which judge?
I voted satisfactory; that's a good overall rating I think for what I've experienced and seen firsthand at various shows. It's much better and more consistent at some shows - Chicago being the best of those I've attended - than at others, where it can be simply impossible for the outsider to even guess what the judges, collectively or singly, were thinking, or what standards (if any!) they were using.
I agree that the majority of judges have the best of intentions to be fair and impartial but that falls by the wayside when it comes to some of the really difficult tasks - judging a piece in a style you loath and still awarding it.
Actually IMO it's those very people who should. In fact other judges should, no matter how unpopular it may make them.
Well sometimes they are clearly wrong!
Einion
Judging is partly using your own taste and preference. I think it's quite normal that a judge gives more points to a figure you that (s)he finds more attractive.
I'm not into fantasy so I guess it would be harder for me to judge fantasy figures.
Just as long they (the judges) try their best in being honest and fair. But I think they mostly are.
I'm not into fantasy so I guess it would be harder for me to judge fantasy figures.
Just as long they (the judges) try their best in being honest and fair. But I think they mostly are.
Vergilius, You may be partly right BUT not on all accounts. I explain. I personally like napoleonics. When I was judging at Euro I didn't have napoleonics in the class. So now what? I ignore all the others? By time and experience you learn to look at all the figures with the same eye and judge things like technique, narrative, presentation and also overall appearance. Regardless of the subject. But that comes by time and experience and I always agree to have rookie judges along side the more experienced ones
Stephen Mallia
Stephen Mallia
Similar threads
