How to avoid shine on paint

[Aveleira]

Hi,
I had recently a problem with shine on the painting of a figure... in fact is something I've been struggling with... I've andrea Matt varnish but It don'r solve the problem completely. I've bought The gunze equivalent to Tamiya X-21 flat base, but every time I mix it with paint it kind of gets whiter...
I use acrylics, Andrea and Vallejo... The only andrea tha gives me trouble is the dark green one... every other colours of the sets are great. The Vallejo are problematic, specially the reds...

Any help with this would be great!

Thank You

Regards
Pedro

 

[housecarl]

Reds, greens, yellows and blues are notorious shiners Pedro.
If you're getting the chalky residue then you're using too much.
I'm not familiar with Gunze stuff, but if it as you say similar to X21.
Then just enough in the water on the palette to turn it cloudy.
Hope that helps,
Carl.

 

[Aveleira]

Thanks Carl...
Just strip down a nice painted figure because of excessive shine... Gonna try to use less gunze.

Regards
Pedro

 

[housecarl]

Might be worth doing a little experiment first.
If you don't put enough in then you'll still get the shine.
Carl.

 

[Aveleira]

Yes, I think I will
Thank you again

Pedro

 

[Uruk-Hai]

I have noticed that since I bought my paintshaker(Robart) and starting using the unprited side of cardbordboxes as pallette. The shine and gloss apperance of Vallejo have been reduced significantly.

When I used X-21 to matten Vallejo I used about 1/8.

Cheers
Janne Nilsson

 

[Aveleira]

I have noticed that since I bought my paintshaker(Robart) and starting using the unprited side of cardbordboxes as pallette. The shine and gloss apperance of Vallejo have been reduced significantly.

When I used X-21 to matten Vallejo I used about 1/8.

Cheers
Janne Nilsson

Thank You Janne for the tip But doesn't the paint dry or simply gets to thick on the card box??
For oils it's great... but for acrylics?

Regards
Pedro

 

[Uruk-Hai]

It does dry a bit faster but not that much. Alos adding X-21 Flat Base will speed up drying time. Speculating I would say that it depends how much you like you paint thinned and what you thin it with. I use about 1 part paint to 1 part dilutant. And I uses Liquitex Flowaid with batterywater to thin with.

Cheers
Janne Nilsson

 

[Aveleira]

It does dry a bit faster but not that much. Alos adding X-21 Flat Base will speed up drying time. Speculating I would say that it depends how much you like you paint thinned and what you thin it with. I use about 1 part paint to 1 part dilutant. And I uses Liquitex Flowaid with batterywater to thin with.

Cheers
Janne Nilsson

Hum Ok Thank you for the tips

Regards
Pedro

 

[Bailey]

I haven't had a chance to try it yet, but one of the people at my painting group was saying how impressed they were with Mr Hobby's Mr Super Clear Flat. It's a sealer and the flat version comes in regular or UV protection. It's from Japan so you're stuck ordering it online. And it's a spray so you'd have to mask any metallic parts. But it's supposed to be really really good.

Oh, and have you tried the Andrea reds? I had the same issue with the Vallejo ones but the Andrea reds give me a decent matte finish.

 

[Aveleira]

I haven't had a chance to try it yet, but one of the people at my painting group was saying how impressed they were with Mr Hobby's Mr Super Clear Flat. It's a sealer and the flat version comes in regular or UV protection. It's from Japan so you're stuck ordering it online. And it's a spray so you'd have to mask any metallic parts. But it's supposed to be really really good.

Oh, and have you tried the Andrea reds? I had the same issue with the Vallejo ones but the Andrea reds give me a decent matte finish.

Thanks for you comment...

I never tried the andrea reds, but if they are as the black, white and flesh they dry dead matt... But I was painting with dark green from the NAC range of Andrea,
and it still was shining... I have to learn to use the flat base... I am trying right now... let's see were I get...

Regards
Pedro

 

[Ferris]

Like Carl said, I think you use too much matt agent if it gets whitish. For one or two drops Vallejo I use just a brush tip (size 0 or 1) of Tamiya X21, plus water of course solves the shine.
I'm not fan of spraying or brushing matt varnish; too much trouble setting up the airbrush and a chance too ruin a whole figure if the dreaded white clouding occurs...
Good luch Pedro.

Adrian

 

[Aveleira]

Like Carl said, I think you use too much matt agent if it gets whitish. For one or two drops Vallejo I use just a brush tip (size 0 or 1) of Tamiya X21, plus water of course solves the shine.
I'm not fan of spraying or brushing matt varnish; too much trouble setting up the airbrush and a chance too ruin a whole figure if the dreaded white clouding occurs...
Good luch Pedro.

Adrian

Thank You Adrian

Regards
Pedro

 

[bigtodd]

I have a fool proof way to add x21 flat with no white chaulky residue.
I took an empty vallejo paint bottle and added two full scoops of x21 from the bottom of the tamiya jar ( using a #2 round brush). Then I filled the vallejo bottle full of distilled water. Shake it up really well. Now when I lay out my colors on the plastic pallete I add two drops of this flat mixture to the paint color in addition to my thinning water. when the paint drys it is dead flat. Over time the x21 settles in the bottom of the bottle and has to be shaken. I add more distilled water over time but no x21 as it is concentrated in the bottom. I came up with this two years ago and it has worked perfect ever since.

I hope this helps
Todd

 

[Aveleira]

I have a fool proof way to add x21 flat with no white chaulky residue.
I took an empty vallejo paint bottle and added two full scoops of x21 from the bottom of the tamiya jar ( using a #2 round brush). Then I filled the vallejo bottle full of distilled water. Shake it up really well. Now when I lay out my colors on the plastic pallete I add two drops of this flat mixture to the paint color in addition to my thinning water. when the paint drys it is dead flat. Over time the x21 settles in the bottom of the bottle and has to be shaken. I add more distilled water over time but no x21 as it is concentrated in the bottom. I came up with this two years ago and it has worked perfect ever since.

I hope this helps
Todd

Another good tip Tood!! Thank you for sharing this good method.

Regards
Pedro

 

[Aveleira]

Hi Guys! Well I've heard your tips and tried again the paint work and looks great! No residue and matt!!!
Thank you all for the tips!!!

Regards
Pedro

 

[tonydawe]

I recently switched from vallejo acrylics to Jo Sonja acrylics because Jo Sonja's are almost dead flat. Since I switched i haven't had to use any X21 flat base.