Need Help With Mamelouk's

[Jim Patrick]

Any help will be appreciated! I have the Pegaso figure (54-518) and was just looking through this figure today while I was taking a break from painting. There is a very good (although brief) history included. I need somone to point me in the right direction (both by books and internet) so I can find/buy the reference I need. I must confess here, I probably ejoy this part of the hobby more than anything else. Research. Not that I'm trying to find what is (If anything) wrong with the kit. I just use this to educate myself a little more about history. any and all help will be most appreciated.

Thanks, Jim

One more thing. Victor konnov is, in my opinion, the BEST sculpter out there today. Look at his work for Pegaso. He has done almost all of the recent Napoleonics and several Samurai's as well as quiet a few Romans. I'm a huge fan of his work! So, if someone is out there that can pass this along to him, please do so!

 

[gordy]

here's the cursory start

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&lr=&...ouk&sa=N&tab=wi

 

[Jim Patrick]

Thanks Gordy, I tried Google but not the pictures.

Jim

 

[Colin_Fraser]

Jim - what are you looking for? Unit history or uniform info?

Colin

 

[Jim Patrick]

Colin, looking for uniform info.

Thanks, Jim

 

[Dani A.]

Hello,

Take a look here, for starters:

http://www.histofig.com/history/empire/

In "Uniforms" you will find some drawings and text concerning Mamelouks.

Do not hesitate to ask any particular question (or maybe in the new PF section, "Uniformology").

There is a good coverage in "La Garde Impériale - Troupes à Cheval" in the Cdt. Bucquoy book collection. Osprey touches upon the subject in "Napoleon's Guard Cavalry", and a not very good title at that, which is based in the Bucquoy book. Also, there is a good article by Albert Rigondaud in a old issue of French magazine "Figurines". Mâitre Rousselot did not deal with Mamelouks in his famous 1st Empire plates, although he did a "off the series" Mamelouk plate, I think - unfortunately these are as good as impossible to find (and NO, I do no have it... )

HTH,

Dani

Regards,

Dani

 

[Jim Patrick]

Dani, thanks for the information. After your post, I started digging through my old books and I do have the Cdt Bucquoy book as well as the Osprey title. I agree with your assesmant on the Osprey book. A lot of their earlier books are like this. My copy of La Garde Imperiale is in French so the text does me no good. great illustrations though.
Specifically what I'm looking for are the Mameluks uniforms during Austerlitz 1805 and does the Pegaso figure represent this time period. also, what color variations are available to me?
Nice site which I am currently going through not only for Mameluks but other Napoleonic uniforms as well.

Thanks again, Jim

 

[bert]

Hello Jim

A lot of information on mameluk uniforms can be found in Figurines #16, in an excellent article by Rigo.
It also includes color drawings of uniforms in Austerlitz 1805, based on paintings by Gerard.

Have you got this issue or would you like me to scan it and email to you ?

Maybe I can help, should you need text translation from French !

Best regards

Bertrand

 

[Jim Patrick]

Yes Bertrand ! Thankyou very much for your help. No, I do not have Fig. #16 and yes I would VERY much like it if you could e mail that to me.

Thanks a million, Jim

 

[bert]

Hi Jim

Hope the article is useful to you.

Bertrand

 

[Lou Masses]

Jim,

See if these help. I know I have a few more and can keep digging if you like.

Lou

 

[Dani A.]

Jim,

Mamelukes' oriental attire is divided in two main areas, up to 1804, and 1805-on. Basically, in the first period they were less subject to strict regulation, and their appearance was less uniform, also, they used Arabian style saddlery and accouterments. From 1804, it would seem coinciding with his admission to the Guard in January, a more homogeneous appearance was enforced, and a hybrid European/Oriental style light cavalry horse equipment was introduced. Judging from sources, this uniformity, nevertheless, would not have been so strict as in other Guard units.

You can see both of these trends in Rigo's plate, and an example of Arabian saddlery. The early-wars look is shown in Conrad's plate, and the latter in Leliepvre's. Bucquoy states that the latter style had been already adopted for the Austerlitz 1805 campaign - although I have seen an Austerlitz plate by J. Girbal depicting the earlier dress instead, and Rigo seems to support also that the new regulations were not so quickly implemented.

I believe your Pegaso's mameluke corresponds to the latter appearance. If so, after Bucquoy, it would be correct for Austerlitz... although it would seem there is some discrepance on this.

HTH,

Dani

 

[Jim Patrick]

Thank you Daniel. Your help is most welcome and appreciated.

Thanks again, Jim