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Art67

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Hello everyone. I am new to this forum and I am hoping to get some feedback on paint selection. I am interested in WWII figures and I am curious as to what most people are choosing for paint. I would like to use acrylics for the uniforms and oils for the skin tones. Do most people mix their paints from their own paint formulas, and if so, how does one attain consistency. I realize depending on the time of year, amount of sun/fading, and other factors go into creating many different hues, but I was wondering if there are accepted standards or color recipes somewhere on the internet or in print so I can begin to gather the right paints to begin. I will probably start on WWII German soldiers to begin with. I guess what I am trying to say, is there a good flat acrylic WWii German paint set out there? What do you all recommend? Thanks in advance for any help you may have.

Stuart
 
Hello again, I should also add that I am not against starting with oils. As someone just starting out, is there a preferred method i.e acrylic vs. oil ? Thanks again for any input on this matter.

Stuart
 
Hi Stuart, there are some paint sets available from Vallejo, and I think from Andrea as well, geared toward a specific subject like WWII Germans. A lot of hobbyists that use hobby paints like these tend to use a fairly restricted set of paint colours to mix common shades like Field Grey (starting with the supplied colour) to make mixing easier and help with consistency. But if you practice, read posts and articles and make notes you'll quickly pick up how to mix things for yourself. For example with Field Grey it's basically a greyish green right? So you can just mix a grey, mix a green and then blend them together and get what you're looking for, but you can also mix it from a green, red or a red-brown and a little white and get much the same result.

With oils there are no convenience uniform shades of course so you have to mix practically everything; even for something like a bright parade uniform - blue, red or whatever - you won't generally use a tube paint straight without modifying the colour slightly.

If you do a quick search here on palettes you'll see that there are a lot of personal opinions and one person's must-have colour won't even be in another guy's set. Two colours that would be considered essential by almost everyone will be white and black; I'd go for a really good brand of Titanium White as you'll appreciate the pigment load (which governs how well a paint covers) over time and it's one of the cheapest pigments so you won't pay too much for it even in an expensive brand. I'd recommend Mars Black if you're only going to have a single black paint as it's the most opaque black pigment as a rule but a lot of painters like Lamp Black too which is relatively transparent but still covers well in a good brand. I'd avoid Ivory Black if I were you.

As for the rest of the palette it's hard to suggest one you'll be comfortable with if you don't have any experience mixing - and it's not the easiest subject by any means. You'll find my recommended basic palette in a couple of places here when you do a search. You can however paint quite well with just a white and black with a yellow, red and blue, much like Shep Paine recommends in one or two of his books. If you decide to try this I'd suggest Cadmium Yellow Medium, Cadmium Red Medium and Ultramarine Blue or French Ultramarine.

Einion
 
Einion-Thank you very much for your informative reply. I will certainly take your advice and do some pallet searches on the forums for various uniform colors. I am still trying to decide on what type of paint to use as I have read conflicting accounts on the pros and cons of the various mediums-I guess that is true in all hobbies. The Vallejo paint line sounds interesting but I have read of coverage problems with some of the different pigments. Oils look very impressive but I imagine the learning curve is a bit more steep. I have somewhat of an artistic background as far as I paint with acrylics and watercolors on paper, and use Floquil paints very often with model railroading, so mixing colors is not entirely unfamiliar to me. It would appear as if oils would be more economical in the long run as well-so I may lean a bit toward those. I want to thank you again for your insight on pigment and your advice on must have colors and ones to avoid. It is most appreciated.

Stuart Berlin
 
Stuart,

I would strongly advise you to choose the medium that you like the final results of the most. Who's painting style would you like to learn as a stepping stone toward developing your own? Is there a certain effect that interests you? The results painters achieve are influenced by the medium they use.

Being a watercolor/acrylic painter artist, you may like the techniques used with acrylics on figs. which usually includes a lot of layering and glazing. As far as the coverage problems, as long as you don't try to paint the more transparent colors (there aren't that many) on top of dark colors without an undercoat, you shouldn't have any problems.

You may well decide you like oils best, but it doesn't do you much good to save a few bucks now if you like acrylics better. I'm not all that convinced that oils are
that much more economical anyway. At any rate, you can try out the working properties of both without a major expenditure. Don't overlook enamels as an option either!

Barry
 
Automata,

Thanks for your advice on the paint selection. The past few days I have been doing exactly as you recommended and looking at various peoples work and medium choice. I already have quite a few Floquil colors from my scale railroad equipment, and have seen quite a few positive mentions for using them with figure painting. I might be inclined to stick with the acrylics since I have the floquils, and try to procur a few other acrylics to fill in the void. Any opinion on Floquil? Thanks in advance.

Stuart
 
I have used Floquil for 25 years and do not find them as harsh as acrylics are on a brush. Floquil make some of the finest enamels available today and my brushes last a long time. Proper brush care is the element to long lasting brushes.

All the colors (except the flesh) are painted in Floquil in my gallery.

My gallery - click here
 
Thats interesting, and good to know, Guy. What do you thin them with? My brushes that I use for enamels have a much shorter life span than the ones I use with water-based paints (Vallejo and guache).

Barry
 
Hello Barry,

I use the Floquil thinner poured into a glass container with a bristle brush in the bottom of the tank. I also hold my brush the same way and only move it accross the bristle bottom in one dirrection.
 
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