Samurai .Bust 1/10...........Dolman Miniatures

[EDUARDO SANCHEZ BARBERO]

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[yellowcat]

Another Samurai bust. Looks like a 3d sculpt but with so many mistakes on the tosei-gusoku modern armour.
I guess the armour is copied from a replica manufacturer catalogue.
Even the helmet cord which tied under the chin is wrong so as with the chain mail and parts are missing from the katana.
The 3d sculpt software makes it easy to copy and duplicate on the lacing parts.
As I mentioned in my recent figure review Samurai is not an easy subject to tackle and most sculptors are lack of knowledge especially on the armour.

 

[EDUARDO SANCHEZ BARBERO]

Another Samurai bust. Looks like a 3d sculpt but with so many mistakes on the tosei-gusoku modern armour.
I guess the armour is copied from a replica manufacturer catalogue.
Even the helmet cord which tied under the chin is wrong so as with the chain mail and parts are missing from the katana.
The 3d sculpt software makes it easy to copy and duplicate on the lacing parts.
As I mentioned in my recent figure review Samurai is not an easy subject to tackle and most sculptors are lack of knowledge especially on the armour.

This sculpture has been supervised by a Japanese manufacturer and historian of this type of armor, that Japanese gave the figure ok and that is what is useful to us.

 

[yellowcat]

This sculpture has been supervised by a Japanese manufacturer and historian of this type of armor, that Japanese gave the figure ok and that is what is useful to us.

That’s great your sculpture has been supervised by a Japanese manufacturer and historian. I have noticed two so obvious mistakes and there are more.

1. The chin strap. This had been discussed here on PF before.
There are various ways to tie the helmet.

Figure 1 - To secure the helmet cord with 2 holes. This was a very old method practiced until the late Heian period 平安時代 (749-1185).
However, when Samurai began to undo their hair and wear helmets, the helmets became wobbly and unstable.

Yoroi 鎧with two and four holes system

Figure 2 and 3 - To secure the helmet cord with 4 holes. This was practiced from the Kamakura period鎌倉時代(1185-1133)
to the Nanboku-cho period 南北朝時代(1136-1392) due to problems with the two holes system.

Figure 4 - To secure the helmet cord with 3 rings. This was practiced from the Muromachi period室町時代(1338-1573) and onward.

Some of helmets had three rings, others had four or five, and the way in which the helmet cord was used differed depending on the type.
But the three ring ones were generally used and the helmets of the modern armour tosei-gusoku 当世具足 also used the three rings system.

Tosei-gusoku 当世具足 with the three rings system

2. The end tying of the tuuka ito (handle cord warp) for the kashira (pommel) is missing so as with the menuki.

 

[EDUARDO SANCHEZ BARBERO]

The armor and details that we have taken as a reference is the one in the image, it is in a museum in Japan, that is our real reference and it has been perfect,

 

[yellowcat]

The armor and details that we have taken as a reference is the one in the image, it is in a museum in Japan, that is our real reference and it has been perfect,

Yes, the reference image is from a commercial operated Samurai Museum shop in Sinjuku, Tokyo. It is a commercial tourist museum and not the one from Tokyo National Museum in Ueno Park.
This Samurai Museum also operates an online gift shop which sale armour, katana etc. The particular display armour on armour box which was the reference for the sculpture was dated as late Edo period.

The reference may be perfect for the static display armour on armour box but the interpretation of the bust with a samurai wearing the particular armour in action could be totally different.
For example the chin strap is fine on the display armour but it is completely different when a Samurai is actually wearing it as depicted on the bust and the lack of detail on the bust chain mail is disappointing when compare with the display armour. 3d sculpting should be able to have more detail and definite and not sure which period the samurai bust is portraying.

 

[EDUARDO SANCHEZ BARBERO]

Yes, the reference image is from a commercial operated Samurai Museum shop in Sinjuku, Tokyo. It is a commercial tourist museum and not the one from Tokyo National Museum in Ueno Park.
This Samurai Museum also operates an online gift shop which sale armour, katana etc. The particular display armour on armour box which was the reference for the sculpture was dated as late Edo period.

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The reference may be perfect for the static display armour on armour box but the interpretation of the bust with a samurai wearing the particular armour in action could be totally different.
For example the chin strap is fine on the display armour but it is completely different when a Samurai is actually wearing it as depicted on the bust and the lack of detail on the bust chain mail is disappointing when compare with the display armour. 3d sculpting should be able to have more detail and definite and not sure which period the samurai bust is portraying.

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It will be disappointing for you, for me everything is perfect, why do you show so much zeal in denigrating a figure that is fantastic? People like you who think they know a lot and to demonstrate their knowledge they criticize others do not deserve any type of credibility.

 

[Nap]

It will be disappointing for you, for me everything is perfect, why do you show so much zeal in denigrating a figure that is fantastic? People like you who think they know a lot and to demonstrate their knowledge they criticize others do not deserve any type of credibility.

Your happy with it Eduardo , it’s your Figure decision , Ferris is just constructively highlighting areas when he looks at the piece

I’m sure this will paint up well and look good in the display cabinet

There is the PM available if you both wish to chat away from thread

Nap

 

[yellowcat]

It will be disappointing for you, for me everything is perfect, why do you show so much zeal in denigrating a figure that is fantastic? People like you who think they know a lot and to demonstrate their knowledge they criticize others do not deserve any type of credibility.

I am not denigrating a figure. It is so obvious there are so many things wrong with the bust. Just try to educate people by highlighting what is right and wrong. As I mention before Samurai is not an easy subject to tackle and most sculptors are lack of knowledge especially on the armour. More research need to be done before finalize a sculpt. That's great if the bust is perfect and fantastic to you. Sorry that you take this personally and it is a pity you are unable to take any criticism to improve your sculpting. Good luck! I am signing off.

 

[Tommy Brown]

Here is a typical scenario where the sculptor is unable to take criticism when his mistakes are highlighted by others.
I could not believe the sculptor deliberately giving out bogus, misleading and false information about their sculpt references.
One can only improve by learning from their mistakes with an open mind rather than being defensive.
When you blame and criticize others, you are avoiding some truth about yourself. You have no one to blame but yourself.
Be a man and eat your humble pie.

 

[kevininpdx]

People pointing out inaccuracy is part of this hobby. It was kinda annoying reading it in the past but I’m used to it now. It’s the name of the game baby. Seriously Eduardo I doubt a single person who was planning on buying the kit, changed their mind after reading the critique. I think the bust is great. I agree however a more elaborate knot on the helmet straps would be nice.

 

[EDUARDO SANCHEZ BARBERO]

Here is a typical scenario where the sculptor is unable to take criticism when his mistakes are highlighted by others.
I could not believe the sculptor deliberately giving out bogus, misleading and false information about their sculpt references.
One can only improve by learning from their mistakes with an open mind rather than being defensive.
When you blame and criticize others, you are avoiding some truth about yourself. You have no one to blame but yourself.
Be a man and eat your humble pie.

You are very wrong in your statements, I accept constructive criticism, not the categorical statements of a person who believes in the absolute truth, my references are not those of this person, why do my references have to be wrong? If they don't match yours, the fact that they don't match yours doesn't have to be wrong. My figure has been supervised by a person I completely trust. His work is the Japanese armor and its components.

 

[EDUARDO SANCHEZ BARBERO]

People pointing out inaccuracy is part of this hobby. It was kinda annoying reading it in the past but I’m used to it now. It’s the name of the game baby. Seriously Eduardo I doubt a single person who was planning on buying the kit, changed their mind after reading the critique. I think the bust is great. I agree however a more elaborate knot on the helmet straps would be nice.

I have based myself on the attached images to make the helmet strap, that has been my reference,

 

[Tommy Brown]

You are very wrong in your statements, I accept constructive criticism, not the categorical statements of a person who believes in the absolute truth, my references are not those of this person, why do my references have to be wrong? If they don't match yours, the fact that they don't match yours doesn't have to be wrong. My figure has been supervised by a person I completely trust. His work is the Japanese armor and its components.

From all your comments, I can tell you know nothing on the subject of Samurai, Samurai armour, Samurai sword, Samurai culture. You should do your own research. If the person supervise the sculpt of your bust who works on Samurai armour this person should know what "Yellowcat" had highlighted. I really doubt this person ever exist and you are still being defensive.

 

[Tommy Brown]

I have based myself on the attached images to make the helmet strap, that has been my reference,

Your reference is from a static display armour sitting on an armour box. When a Samurai wearing the helmet the tying of the chin strap is different. Your supervise person should point this out to you. Do your own research and it will confirm "Yellowcat's" comment. Same with the katana handle, the end of the cord wrapping, the menuki and the saya sageo cord they are all missing from your sculpt.

 

[Nap]

HI Everyone

I have moderated comments here ...I do not want to lock this

Use PM privately if needed

Nap

 

[akaryu]

Not wanting to see this thread escalating downhill any further, I have to add three IMO important points:

1. Yellowcat's constructive comments on Japanese armor are one of the many strong points of this forum, always well founded and justified. He at least puts his arguments in a dignified manner.

2. This "museum" in Shinjuku is anything but that, it is a tourist trap producing reproduction armor for the uninformed. Scholars and members of the Japanese Armor Society (Nihon Katchu Bugu Kenkyu Hozon Kai) steer clear from this kind of venture.

3. A mistake easily corrected will not harm your business, but your attitude and reaction to well intended comments and your offensive language however will!

Pierre
Member NKBKHK

 

[EDUARDO SANCHEZ BARBERO]

Not wanting to see this thread escalating downhill any further, I have to add three IMO important points:

1. Yellowcat's constructive comments on Japanese armor are one of the many strong points of this forum, always well founded and justified. He at least puts his arguments in a dignified manner.

2. This "museum" in Shinjuku is anything but that, it is a tourist trap producing reproduction armor for the uninformed. Scholars and members of the Japanese Armor Society (Nihon Katchu Bugu Kenkyu Hozon Kai) steer clear from this kind of venture.

3. A mistake easily corrected will not harm your business, but your attitude and reaction to well intended comments and your offensive language however will!

Pierre
Member NKBKHK

I don't see the comments as well-intentioned or constructive, that's why my reaction

 

[EDUARDO SANCHEZ BARBERO]

We have used these references, the Japanese person who advised us told us that they were correct, and so we did, let everyone think what they want,

 

[EDUARDO SANCHEZ BARBERO]

 

[Tommy Brown]

Having dé·​jà vu and amnesia. Not again!