Scale Drawings

[Dan Morton]

Looking for good quality technical drawings of the following -

13 pounder British field gun ca. 1914 ;

1909 Benet-Mercie light machine gun aka automatic rifle; and,

early version of Madsen light machine gun.

I'm OK with paying a reasonable price for any or all.

Drop me a PM if you can help.

All the best,
Dan

 

[gordy]

Drop me a PM if you can help.

All the best,
Dan

Or share for all of us

Interesting stuff Dan!

"1909 Benet-Mercie light machine gun" does this also go by the Hotchkiss ?

 

[Dan Morton]

That's right Gordy! OK - here's my contribution - some specifications from a web site...

Type
Light machine gun
Place of origin
France
Service history
Used by
See Users
Wars
World War I
Production history
Designer
Lawrence Benet and Henri Mercie
Designed
1901
Manufacturer
Hotchkiss et Cie
Produced
~1909
Number built
~700 by Springfield Armory
Variants
Hotchkiss M1909 (French Army, 8mm Lebel)
Hotchkiss Mark I (Britain, .303)
Benet-Mercie Machine Rifle M1909 (United States, .30-06)
Specifications
Weight
12kg
Length
48.5 inches (1.23 m) [1]
Barrel length
25 inches (64 cm) [1]

Cartridge
.303 British (Britain)
8mm Lebel (France)
.30-06 Springfield (U.S.)
Caliber
.303 British
8mm Lebel
7.62 x 63mm (30-06 Springfield)
Action
Gas-operated
Rate of fire
400 rounds per minute [1]
Maximum range
3800 meters (3.8km)
Feed system
30-round strip magazine, or belt-fed

1. Design

It was gas-operated and air-cooled, had a maximum range of 3,800 m (4,200 yd) and weighed 12 kg (27 lb). Initial models were fed by a 30-round strip-magazine but later models could be either strip- or belt-fed. The US types had a bipod, while some others used a small tripod. This tripod, fitted under the firearm, could be moved with the weapon, and was very different from larger tripods of the period.
The U.S. M1909 machine guns were made by Springfield Armory and by Colt's Manufacturing Company. Total production for the United States was 670. [1] This may seem small compared to the huge production runs of firearms later in the 20th century, but this was a significant number for the size of the contemporary US Army. The M1909's adoption coincided with the withdrawal of the .30-06 manually-operated Gatling gun machine guns from the US Army's arsenals.
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Good quality drawing. Are there any dimensions on the drawing? The specifications above with the drawing will allow me to work them up but if they are there...

All the best,
Dan

 

[gordy]

Good stuff Dan, I will look further time permitting

I recall reading there is a 13 punder in the Canadian War Museum in Ottowa, FWIW..

 

[martin tabony]

The book Early Britsh Quick Fireing Artillery has plans of the 13pdr as well as lots of other usefull stuff. What scale are you making the gun in?
I'm looking for some guns and limbers in 1/32nd.

Martin

 

[Dan Morton]

I'll see if I can find the book Martin. Cheers!

The British firm http://www.scalelink.co.uk/ have some good 1/32nd limbers and guns. You might try them.

All the best,
Dan

 

[martin tabony]

I'm looking to produce them comercialy, so I thought if someone was planning to make the guns anyway it could save me some time.

Martin

 

[Dan Morton]

Completely misunderstood you, Martin. I'm only interested in making (maybe) one 13 pounder gun for a vignette of L Battery and in 1/16th scale.

Nonetheless thanks for the tip about the book.

Still looking for good quality scale drawings of the Madsen and Hotchkiss from various directions.

I found this series of photos of one Hotchkiss gun - easily the best I've ever seen - and a light machine gun squad ca. Pancho Villa.

All the best,
Dan

 

[Harry]

I've put the S.A.I.D. for the Hotchkiss on a file sharing site: http://depositfiles.com/files/nmc9uj6er Approx 2.5 Mb zipped archive. No dimensions as such, but the drawings of the gun and parts are all drawn to the same scale. This is an official H. M. Govt. armourer's parts ID. guide.

 

[Dan Morton]

Unfortunately, Harry - I'm not a big fan of such sites. I signed up for a free account, but couldn't get access to your files. I'll try again later sometime.

All the best,
Dan

 

[Harry]

You shouldn't have to sign up for any account there - free or not. I can download from there without registering. What happens if you click that URL I posted?

 

[gordy]

I've put the S.A.I.D. for the Hotchkiss on a file sharing site: http://depositfiles.com/files/nmc9uj6er Approx 2.5 Mb zipped archive. No dimensions as such, but the drawings of the gun and parts are all drawn to the same scale. This is an official H. M. Govt. armourer's parts ID. guide.

Harry, if you can send the file to me via email, I can get it online here for download -

Cheers

 

[Dan Morton]

Harry - I immediately am told that free download is not possible because all the "slots" for my country are full. This happened numerous times, including this morning. Then I am told that a service called "Gold" download is available for $49.95 which will allow me to upload / download to the site endlessly and very quickly.

I vote you take Gordy up on his suggestion, or, failing that, and if you know, tell us the full name of the original document, how it was published, date, etc. Sounds like UK government printing office was the publisher, maybe.

And thanks very much for posting about the document!

All the best,
Dan

 

[gordy]

I've managed to get an open slot

Here is the file : http://www.planetfigure.com/files/SAID2064Hotchkiss.zip

Thanks Harry and Dan -

 

[Dan Morton]

What software should I use to unzip the file? Windows extract command won't work.

All the best,
Dan

 

[gordy]

Here we go Dan!




For what it's worth, I use winrar for zips and files (to answer your question )

 

[Harry]

Sorry for getting back to this a bit late. Thanks, gordy, for sorting it all out in the meantime. I would have tried emailing it but I'm not sure I can send such a big file through email. My internet connection is about as powerful and reliable as two tin cans and a bit of string.

 

[Dan Morton]

Got it, Gordy! The two un-zip programs I tried failed miserably, but thanks to Gordy e-mailing it to me, I got it. Great schematic, Harry! Cheers!

All the best,
Dan