Swedish Headgear C.1700

[billyturnip]

I've just received some 30mm flats of the Swedish army c.1700. As can be seen from a small selection here some are wearing the usual tricorn and also Grenadier caps which isn't a problem.
However I haven't seen any illustrations of Swedish soldiers wearing the "stocking" type cap. It is similar to the Karpus cap but with a bag. So my question is, is this type of headgear historically correct?
Lars, where are you?

Roger



Ooops last one is a bit out of focus.

 

[Braemp]

spontaneously I would say no. The tricorn is ok and the grenadier cap is acceptable but the other I have never heard of. Looks like some kind of nightcap perhaps? How ever one should never say never, the headgear of the karoliner army is not entirely unraveled. But it seems unlikely that all sources missed those caps. It's a pity because the figures looks so nice. Maybe you could redo them caps to the more common "karpus" and some long hair.



Regards lars





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[billyturnip]

Thanks for the reply Lars. That spontaneous no was my worry too and the nightcap/undress cap was one of my theories. I found this in Lars-Eric Hoglund - Uniforms of The Swedish Army in the Great Northern War but can't find any reference to it in the rest of the text.

 

[billyturnip]

I know it's New Years Eve and you're all probably doing something more interesting but my diligence has paid off. After much translating of Swedish & Russian webpages I've found this.
http://rusmilhist.blogspot.co.uk/2010/10/gnw-swedes-of-uppland-regiment-by.html#more

Not exact but a start in the right direction and close enough for 30mm flat figure purposes.

 

[Don]

Wish you had found that earlier Roger, spent a lot of my Hogmanay searching for this but didnt think of searching my Russian books. Found out all sort of great stuff including the part the Scots played in Sweden (they get everywhere).
Interesting thing that put me off for a bit was the "Hats and Caps" being names of Political Parties rather than headgear.

Don

 

[billyturnip]

Thanks for looking Don.... you can have the rest of the evening off now.

Roger.

 

[housecarl]

Very dapper.
Carl.

 

[billyturnip]

Shame it wasn't in colour but you can't have everything.

 

[Braemp]

I have done s Little research and I believe the headgear appears first on a painting by Richard knötel picturing a couple of swedish soldiers. i'm not sure were he got his references but I can't find any other evidence of this type of cap during The Great Nordic War. knötel must have confused or mixed up the headgear with other armies. Since then other artist simply copied outfit on the painting, Einar Storkirsch did a series of uniform paintings and there it is again. Sorry to say that specific type of cap is very questionanble. How ever there were a number of units, not all swedish, many regional and entlisted with non regular uniforms, maybe they had those caps, But I dare to say Not any known swedish regiment did. It's a bad thing that the producer of the figures didn't do better research.

Best Regards / Lars



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[billyturnip]

Thank you very much Lars.
I have four figures in this type cap so the plan is to set them aside from the rest that can be painted as Swedes with the correct headgear. I'll do some research into painting them as another nation or until further information turns up.
Thanks again for taking the time to help out, it's very much appreciated.

Roger.

 

[Braemp]

Sorry for being such a party pooper, still as you said there's always a possibility to paint them in other colors. But on the other hand, the cavalry figures you have looks just spot on in my opinion.


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[billyturnip]

Don't worry about being a party pooper Lars, I had my suspicions anyway.
I'm now beginning to think they might actually be Poles.
On the bases of the figures that are obviously Swedes they are engraved with a catalogue code, for example CA 7-G which I assume means Caroliner Grenadier number 7 and the musketeer figs have a letter M.
The mystery figs have the letter P for Poland perhaps, further evidence is this plate I found.