TW54015 – Private, 11th Bn Australian Imperial Force, Gallipoli 1915
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Stelios Demiras
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Hello friends,
I am not an expert in WWI so I made a quick research in the internet and in my library as I was curious. The New Zealand soldiers has the Tommy's War band in their slouch hats (you can find this in the illustration in Osprey book, Warrior 155, page 29 .
And something very interesting in the link:
http://www.gallipoli-2015.com.au/gallipoli-cruise/anzac-digger-slouch-hat
that verifies Tommy's War slouch hat.
Probably both versions were worn during this period.
All the best
Stelios
I am not an expert in WWI so I made a quick research in the internet and in my library as I was curious. The New Zealand soldiers has the Tommy's War band in their slouch hats (you can find this in the illustration in Osprey book, Warrior 155, page 29 .
And something very interesting in the link:
http://www.gallipoli-2015.com.au/gallipoli-cruise/anzac-digger-slouch-hat
that verifies Tommy's War slouch hat.
Probably both versions were worn during this period.
All the best
Stelios
Sorry Stelios,
But the pugaree you show is a later WW2 version. The Australians wore the dark woollen hatband, and certainly the 11th Battalion did on Gallipoli. In fact most landed on 25th April wearing the cap, rather than the slouch hat.
The site on the link you provided is incorrect saying they wore the pleated pugaree.
The following is from the Australian War Memorial site With the raising of the 1st AIF in 1914 further standardisation occurred. Plain khaki hat bands were adopted, along with the Commonwealth Pattern ("rising sun") Badge, first introduced in 1904. This badge was worn by all soldiers except those serving with siege artillery units; as members of the permanent artillery, they were allowed to retain their own design. ... Although the white-striped folded puggaree worn by militia light horse units had been replaced by the plain khaki band, AIF light horse units were later allowed to wear the original; evidence of its use can be seen in period photographs. Approval was later rescinded; directions for AIF units to adopt a plain khaki puggaree soon followed.
http://www.awm.gov.au/encyclopedia/slouch/army/
Regards
Chris
But the pugaree you show is a later WW2 version. The Australians wore the dark woollen hatband, and certainly the 11th Battalion did on Gallipoli. In fact most landed on 25th April wearing the cap, rather than the slouch hat.
The site on the link you provided is incorrect saying they wore the pleated pugaree.
The following is from the Australian War Memorial site With the raising of the 1st AIF in 1914 further standardisation occurred. Plain khaki hat bands were adopted, along with the Commonwealth Pattern ("rising sun") Badge, first introduced in 1904. This badge was worn by all soldiers except those serving with siege artillery units; as members of the permanent artillery, they were allowed to retain their own design. ... Although the white-striped folded puggaree worn by militia light horse units had been replaced by the plain khaki band, AIF light horse units were later allowed to wear the original; evidence of its use can be seen in period photographs. Approval was later rescinded; directions for AIF units to adopt a plain khaki puggaree soon followed.
http://www.awm.gov.au/encyclopedia/slouch/army/
Regards
Chris
Here is a photo of the 11th Battalion on HMS London on 24th April 1915 in Mudros Harbour. This group were in the first wave ashore the next morning. The plain khaki hatband can be seen on the three men mid centre wearing a slouch hat.
Regards
Chris
Regards
Chris
tonydawe
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Roy, the figure is intended to depict an Australian infantryman from the 11 Battalion AIF at Gallipoli. He is holding an early style Turkish kabalak in his hand which confirms he is on Gallipoli. This confirms Chris's notes on the inaccuracy of the pleated puggaree around the slouch hat. I would also support Chris's comment that the majority of the Australian's who went ashore during the first and second waves of the landings at Gallipoli were likely to have been wearing field service caps rather than slouch hats. The slouch hat is obviously an iconic piece of Australian military history, but in reality it wasn't worn by all Australian troops.
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Hi Chris, Stelios and Tony,
Many thanks for your help and advice regarding this figure. Given I've already made a start, albeit early stages yet,
I'll plough on.
Again thanks for your advice and to Chris thanks for sharing the photo of your Great Uncle, least we forget.
Cheers
Roy
Many thanks for your help and advice regarding this figure. Given I've already made a start, albeit early stages yet,
I'll plough on.
Again thanks for your advice and to Chris thanks for sharing the photo of your Great Uncle, least we forget.
Cheers
Roy
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Well almost there (to my standard) but need to do some scenic work, I'll check out what is avaiable at FW next Saturday.
I need to up grade my IPhone cos the camera on the current one is shite!!
Apart from a few harsh words while trying to assemble the rifle strap, (down to my sausage like fingers more than the figure) I enjoyed working on this figures. Looking forward to buying more Tommy's War figures at FW.
Cheers
Roy
I need to up grade my IPhone cos the camera on the current one is shite!!Apart from a few harsh words while trying to assemble the rifle strap, (down to my sausage like fingers more than the figure) I enjoyed working on this figures. Looking forward to buying more Tommy's War figures at FW.
Cheers
Roy
I have to agree with Roy, Chris and Tony on the woollen hatband being correct for that period. I'm ex Australian Army Reserve and was actually at the Australian War Memorial in Canberra today. It has a truly remarkable museum. Sadly Tommy's War have this aspect incorrect. An understandable mistake and that website for the tours is showing a much later slough hat. Otherwise a nice looking model. Presumably the puggaree could be altered to be a woollen hatband with some careful reworking.
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@ Chris, hi sorry for delay in replying I've been out and about chewing the chud with an ex colleague! Please forgive my rubbish picture but hope you can see the brown over light blue patch
WW1 is not my forte so I would be grateful if you could let me know what the patch signified?
@ Snowy, hi there, I was never in the military I went straight from college into the Civil Service. This which was a complete let down to my mother who told everyone I was a glorified tea boy! My other 7 brothers are skilled craftsman so I was a failure in her eyes! Even my 2 sisters who went to work in a sewing sweatshop rated higher than me!! Hence what uniform knowledge I have comes from books. But still like you say it is a very nice figure and I sure a more skilled person could convert the hat as you suggest.
Cheers
Roy
WW1 is not my forte so I would be grateful if you could let me know what the patch signified?@ Snowy, hi there, I was never in the military I went straight from college into the Civil Service. This which was a complete let down to my mother who told everyone I was a glorified tea boy! My other 7 brothers are skilled craftsman so I was a failure in her eyes! Even my 2 sisters who went to work in a sewing sweatshop rated higher than me!! Hence what uniform knowledge I have comes from books. But still like you say it is a very nice figure and I sure a more skilled person could convert the hat as you suggest.
Cheers
Roy
You do it how you like Roy. It's your model. 
Enjoy.
As Mike says, in the field Aussie troops were permitted, and preferred to have the brim of the hat down. You will see various shaping of the crown too, 'bashing' as it is called. On parade etc. the side is worn up.
Enjoy. As Mike says, in the field Aussie troops were permitted, and preferred to have the brim of the hat down. You will see various shaping of the crown too, 'bashing' as it is called. On parade etc. the side is worn up.
Hi Roy,
The patch is correct. Looks good. That particular patch signified the 11th Battalion. Horizontal rectangular patch = 1st Australian Division; light blue lower half = 3rd brigade in a division. Brown upper half = third battalion in a brigade. Each patch was different for each battalion.
The shapes of the other divisions were: 2nd Australian Division diamond split horizontally, 3rd Australian Division an oval split horizontally; 4th Australian Division a circle split horizontally, and 5th Australian Division a vertical rectangle split vertically (brigade colour to the rear).
The brigade colours (lower half or rear in 5th Division} were first brigade in the division green, second brigade in the division red, and third brigade in the division light blue. The battalion colours within the brigade from first to fourth were black, purple, brown and white.
There were three exceptions, however, as follows:
4th Australian Brigade (4th Australian Division) horizontal rectangle lower half dark blue, battalion colours (light blue, yellow, brown and white);
12th Australian Brigade (4th Australian Division) circle lower half dark Blue; battalion colours (upper half) same as 4th Brigade;
8th Australian Brigade (5th Australian Division) a vertical rectangular patch divided vertically rear half yellow (brigade), battalion colours (front half) black, purple, brown and white.
Cheers
Chris
The patch is correct. Looks good. That particular patch signified the 11th Battalion. Horizontal rectangular patch = 1st Australian Division; light blue lower half = 3rd brigade in a division. Brown upper half = third battalion in a brigade. Each patch was different for each battalion.
The shapes of the other divisions were: 2nd Australian Division diamond split horizontally, 3rd Australian Division an oval split horizontally; 4th Australian Division a circle split horizontally, and 5th Australian Division a vertical rectangle split vertically (brigade colour to the rear).
The brigade colours (lower half or rear in 5th Division} were first brigade in the division green, second brigade in the division red, and third brigade in the division light blue. The battalion colours within the brigade from first to fourth were black, purple, brown and white.
There were three exceptions, however, as follows:
4th Australian Brigade (4th Australian Division) horizontal rectangle lower half dark blue, battalion colours (light blue, yellow, brown and white);
12th Australian Brigade (4th Australian Division) circle lower half dark Blue; battalion colours (upper half) same as 4th Brigade;
8th Australian Brigade (5th Australian Division) a vertical rectangular patch divided vertically rear half yellow (brigade), battalion colours (front half) black, purple, brown and white.
Cheers
Chris
tonydawe
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Roy,
Further to my earlier comments, I would also suggest that you consider changing the colour of the slouch hat from what appears to be a buff or tan colour to a green/ khaki colour, similar to the colour of the serge material used for the tunic and trousers. The hats were typically made from kangaroo fur and had several very useful properties including being water resistant and excellent for shading your face from the hot sun.
Further to my earlier comments, I would also suggest that you consider changing the colour of the slouch hat from what appears to be a buff or tan colour to a green/ khaki colour, similar to the colour of the serge material used for the tunic and trousers. The hats were typically made from kangaroo fur and had several very useful properties including being water resistant and excellent for shading your face from the hot sun.
The hat should be the colour of the uniform as painted, but the uniform should be the colour of the hat! In WW I British & Commonwealth/Empire forces' uniforms were khaki drill (anything from fawn to red brown) and webbing and slouch hats often khaki drab (green). In the field of course, uniforms and webbing faded. In WW II uniforms in the Far East were khaki drab for jungle warfare, but remained khaki drill otherwise.
Mike
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@ Chris, many thanks for the information regarding the shoulder patches. One of the reasons I focus on figures from the mid to late 19th Century is they still retained a certain colourfulness but there are subtleties in WW1 uniforms I hadn't picked up on before.
@ Tony, thanks for the advice on the hat colour, I'll leave things as they are, the contrast looks good in my display cabinet. Blimey with such a useful hat I am thinking I might invest in one!
Cheers
Roy
@ Tony, thanks for the advice on the hat colour, I'll leave things as they are, the contrast looks good in my display cabinet. Blimey with such a useful hat I am thinking I might invest in one!
Cheers
Roy
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