Water

[John Long]

I have an article in Figurines magazine by Christian Petit about making water. I wondered if any of you have seen this, and could possibly provide a translation? Or, have any insight into the subject in general. Christian does the most convincing water I have seen, and I'm very interested in his method.

 

[Alex M.]

I'd be happy to translate it (as long as it's in french)...
It would help me out too

-Alex

 

[amherbert]

Hi

Which issue is it?
If I have it, I can post a translation here.

Andy

 

[John Long]

Excellent! The issue is at home, I'll post which number when I get home.

 

[Pete_H]

John,
Is this for the groundwork on the 6th. Alamo Scout? If so, then how much water is needed? From your mock-up, perhaps using 2-part clear epoxy and texturing it as it cures would do the trick.

 

[John Long]

Yes it is. I thought about 5 minute epoxy. Depending on the complexity of Christians method I will likely use 5 minute epoxy given the amount needed.

 

[Larry R]

John, from talking to Christian at an MFCA a couple years ago, he explained it to me, he really uses a lot of layers of his clear acrylic stuff from what I recall, from what I remember it was a long and laborious untertaking

 

[John Long]

Thanks Larry. That's unfortunate then. Of course anything that looks that good can't be easy. It looks like Pete's suggestion of 5 minute epoxy is the way to go. I'll have to save it for another project.

 

[John Long]

Andy & Alex, it's issue #46 if you have it. Your efforts would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Pete_H]

John,
A trick I got from the resident MudMaster is to tint the epoxy with a very small amount of oil paint (whichever color you want). This may help give it a bit of depth and take away that crystal-clear artificial look.

 

[amherbert]

Originally posted by John Long@Jul 2 2004, 05:27 PM
Andy & Alex, it's issue #46 if you have it. Your efforts would be greatly appreciated.

Sheesh, it figures!

I have issues 42-45, 47, then the 50s. Sorry about that, John!!

If you send me a scan/photo/copy I can translate it for you.

Andy

 

[Anders Heintz]

Hey John,

Maybe Future could do the trick as well, it will flow just like it would in real life, although it would take some layers to build it up.

 

[Kreston]

John, if you do tint it with oils, make sure you use a very small amount of paint otherwise the epoxy will go opaque. If you are going to pour in layers, just tint the first layer. The slight tinting really helps give it depth.

Kreston

 

[Joe Hudson]

Hey John,

Just check out the thread that Jim was doing on groundwork and water.http://www.planetfigure.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2177&hl=



Joe

 

[Einion]

I've seen articles where five-minute epoxy was used for saliva and simple water effects but don't epoxy resins always yellow over time? My glue always has I think and the casting resin suppliers make a point of stating this so you'll go for urethane or polyester instead if you want it to stay water-clear.

John, if you want to invest in a material specifically for this purpose Caltron Plastic Glaze might be a good shot for shallow water and Envirotex Lite is excellent for simulating deeper water, it's quite widely available but it works out more expensive than the clear casting resins.

Einion

 

[Pete_H]

Einion,
2-part clear epoxy doesn't yellow at all. Tinting it with oils will also go to great lengths at making any yellowing hard to see.

 

[poch mahone]

Hi John,

There is an article in the new Figure International magazine #10 by Christian Petite on how he does his water effects. However, I feel it is a bit basic and doesn't tell you a great deal.

Brian

 

[Patrick Kirk]

Petey,
Ever try that Woodlands Scenic Water that Jim Patrick was talking about?
Looks pretty simple to use and gives some great effects...any read my friend?

All the best

Patrick

 

[amherbert]

Hi

Ship modellers often use acrylic medium for water. It is relatively stiff and can be formed into different shapes (like for your scout). The stuff is opaque when wet, and dries clear. I'm not sure how well it will work for a larger scale. It works well for puddles and representing water at 1/700 scale!

Cheers
Andy

 

[John Long]

I don't know about the Woodland Scenics product, but I have tried the acrylic gel medium. It works pretty well, but if you put it on too thick it looks too milky. I have a few ideas in mind I'll experiment with. I'll let you know how they each turn out.