140th New York Volunteer Infantry 1864
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Good work Vitalino.
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garyjd
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140th New York Zouave
Vitalino, It's always nice to see someone do a Civil War Zouave. My comments are concerned with your reconstruction of the jacket.
In January 1864, both the 140th New York and 155th Pennsylvania were also issued distinctive variations of the Zouave uniform—thus with the 146th, formed the Fifth Corps’ Zouave Brigade. Later reinforced by the 5th New York Veteran Zouaves, the colorful brigade stayed together until Appomattox.
-Corporal Frederick Ernst
146th NYSV "Garrard's Tigers
The uniforms were made at the Schuylkill Arsenal and main feature of their uniforms is that they were entirely handsewn. Although I have yet to find a photograph showing the back of the 140th's jacket my research including correspondence with Historical Artist Don Troiani show the uniform to be of the same pattern with the exception of the tombeaux on the front of the jackets in addition to the "vents" at the rear of the jacket.
The vents The 146th New York was issued their Zouave uniforms on June 3, 1863. The 140th New York and the 155th Pennsylvania were issued their Zouave uniforms in January of 1864. As you can see the vents of the 146th jacket (photos B-D) has two double rows of cording spanning the space at the vent. The 155th PA had the vents but did not have the cording. Based on what I have the 140th's jacket also had the vents minus the cording.
The vest Though the 140th jacket had a false vest (both sides sewn into the jacket) I believe it closed using hooks and eyes and not by buttoning them as you would a vest. If you look at the photo of the jacket there do not appear to be button holes on the false vest front.
The tombeaux See how the tombeaux are shaped in photo A. The top part (top portion) curves at angle.
The cuffs The chevron pattern you have on the cuffs look to be positioned too high up on the sleeve. Again look at photo A to see their placement on the cuff.
The fez The 140th (photo A) fez has had it's crown folded up lowering it's profile. This is just an alternative to how you have sculpted it. BOTH ways are correct.
Please take these comments as being constructive in nature in regards to accuracy. I know there are some that are very concerned with accuracy and others where it's of secondary importance if any. ~Gary
Vitalino, It's always nice to see someone do a Civil War Zouave. My comments are concerned with your reconstruction of the jacket.
In January 1864, both the 140th New York and 155th Pennsylvania were also issued distinctive variations of the Zouave uniform—thus with the 146th, formed the Fifth Corps’ Zouave Brigade. Later reinforced by the 5th New York Veteran Zouaves, the colorful brigade stayed together until Appomattox.
-Corporal Frederick Ernst
146th NYSV "Garrard's Tigers
The uniforms were made at the Schuylkill Arsenal and main feature of their uniforms is that they were entirely handsewn. Although I have yet to find a photograph showing the back of the 140th's jacket my research including correspondence with Historical Artist Don Troiani show the uniform to be of the same pattern with the exception of the tombeaux on the front of the jackets in addition to the "vents" at the rear of the jacket.
The vents The 146th New York was issued their Zouave uniforms on June 3, 1863. The 140th New York and the 155th Pennsylvania were issued their Zouave uniforms in January of 1864. As you can see the vents of the 146th jacket (photos B-D) has two double rows of cording spanning the space at the vent. The 155th PA had the vents but did not have the cording. Based on what I have the 140th's jacket also had the vents minus the cording.
The vest Though the 140th jacket had a false vest (both sides sewn into the jacket) I believe it closed using hooks and eyes and not by buttoning them as you would a vest. If you look at the photo of the jacket there do not appear to be button holes on the false vest front.
The tombeaux See how the tombeaux are shaped in photo A. The top part (top portion) curves at angle.
The cuffs The chevron pattern you have on the cuffs look to be positioned too high up on the sleeve. Again look at photo A to see their placement on the cuff.
The fez The 140th (photo A) fez has had it's crown folded up lowering it's profile. This is just an alternative to how you have sculpted it. BOTH ways are correct.
Please take these comments as being constructive in nature in regards to accuracy. I know there are some that are very concerned with accuracy and others where it's of secondary importance if any. ~Gary
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Steve
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Gary, your passion for historical and technical accuracy are absolutely awesome. Accuracy is the difference between a military miniature and a nicely painted cartoon. THANK YOU!
dannyk01
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That is alot of passion for accuracy in the cival war (i don't know much about it living here in australia) but from what I can see from what you wrote, Modelix has made a couple of mistakes. Other than that, the figure is lookign good and i think that paint will make it look better (like it always does).
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modelix
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Aprecciate
Thanks for all coments!!
Gary,THANKS for your historical and techinal accuracy!!!
I´m going to make the correct changes in the figure because I like the historical accuracy too!
Its one of my favorite period and I try to make the correct way about the uniforms!
THANKS
Vitalino
Thanks for all coments!!
Gary,THANKS for your historical and techinal accuracy!!!
I´m going to make the correct changes in the figure because I like the historical accuracy too!
Its one of my favorite period and I try to make the correct way about the uniforms!
THANKS
Vitalino
garyjd
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Vitalino, I fully understand what it's like to make corrections or additions to a figure that is all but done. I applaud your efforts to make as accurate a model as references allow. ~Gary
garyjd
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Vitalino, I looked at a few more sources and found another 140th photograph that also show the false vest that actually buttons. Now the source for the color photograph of the 140th jacket says it looks as if it's a buttoned vest under the jacket. I also looked at a few photographs of the 155th that were issued their zouave dress at the same time. The 155th photos also shows a false vest that buttons across the front. Given just the photographic evidence I would not change that part of the figure. Leave it as it is now. that is an excellent photograph by the way. ~Gary
Jason W.
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Cool pic! Check out his watch fob.
Jason
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Robert Dominick
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Gary,
I provided the photo for Vitalino. I have alot of photos of Civil War soldiers in various uniforms and many zouaves. They make for great references. I have many original Civil War photos in my personal collection. As a matter of fact, I was going to contact you or post a photo of a soldier in the reference section in order to try and identify the unit.
If anyone is interested in jpegs of certain civil war soldiers, i.e. cavalry, zouaves, confederates, let me know.
Robert
I provided the photo for Vitalino. I have alot of photos of Civil War soldiers in various uniforms and many zouaves. They make for great references. I have many original Civil War photos in my personal collection. As a matter of fact, I was going to contact you or post a photo of a soldier in the reference section in order to try and identify the unit.
If anyone is interested in jpegs of certain civil war soldiers, i.e. cavalry, zouaves, confederates, let me know.
Robert
garyjd
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Robert, Go ahead and post it or send me an Email. I myself have several folders on disk myself and probably have at least 1,000 by now.~Gary
Robert Dominick
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Gary,
Posted it in the reference section.
Thanks, Robert
Posted it in the reference section.
Thanks, Robert
Robert Dominick
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garyjd
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I can compile a list. Off the top of my head I would include Mike McAfee's great book on Zouaves. The Company of Military Historians has done several articles and plates. You might also want to check Ebay for back issues of Military images Magazine. It mostly concerns Civil War photographs and units. Time life books Echoes of Glory books are really good. The book on Union uniforms, weapons, and equipment contain a lot of nice photographs of surviving pieces. ~Gary
