Carl's Cuirassier gets some legs . . . six of them.

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Like many other PF forumites, I think Carl Reid's French Cuirassier bust is a wonderful sculpt that could only be improved upon by giving it legs and a horse. So, for the last few weeks, I have been practicing my meager sculpting skills in an attempt to do just that. The attached photos show the result of my efforts. It's not even close to finished, but far enough along that I can invite suggestions and recommendations from those of you who know more about sculpting than me (which means just about everyone).

I was incredibly lucky to find a suitable charger on which to base my additions. The horse is a model of Secretariat, the Triple Crown winner, and is made by an American company called Breyer. It was a bit of a gamble in terms of scale, but once it arrived I knew it would work well. In fact, it's almost like it was made for the purpose . . . look at the way the cuirassier's criniere flows and then look at the horse's tail -- the loft of the hair is virtually identical! The horse will need repainting as the factory job falls a bit short in terms of quality and definition (hey, it's a kid's toy). Also, the detail on the mane is poor and it was getting in the way of the saddle and shabraque, so I ground most of it off, leaving just enough to provide a base on which to sculpt a new mane when the time comes. The manufacturer wisely inserted a metal rod in the one leg that touches ground, so it should be pretty stable over time. Even so, the finished cuirassier, accoutrements and saddle will be fairly heavy, so I plan to create a base that shows him charging through tall grass, and will add several support rods suitably disguised to make sure the horse doesn't bite the dust over time.

The horse has just completed the suspended portion of its gait and is beginning to gather its legs for another stride, so I sculpted the various elements -- the saddle cloth, shabraque, portmanteau and cape -- to show them in a complementary, semi-suspended state. The rider himself is standing slightly in the stirrups to minimize the effects of the horse's movement on his body position. His legs, which in a less-active state would normally grip the horse's rib cage, are somewhat splayed as happens in this phase of the horse's stride.

These photos are crap, but they give you an idea of where I'm at with the sculpt. The next steps will focus on adding a bit more muscle to the rider's thighs; adding more of his tunic under the cuirasse, which is pushed up by the extension of the right arm; completing the carbine bayonet and scabbard; and adding scabbard slings so that the scabbard is bouncing wildly in the charge. Then I'll further define and refine the folds in the drapery and uniform, etc. and smooth all the surfaces to eliminate fingerprints and excess material. After that, I'll need to make the girth, bridle, reins and other bits of horse harness. Lots of work to do before assembly and painting begins.

Thanks, Carl, for sculpting a great (and, needless to say, inspirational) bust . . . and thanks also to Graham for casting it up and making it available.

S.

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What a great project. I know Carl sometimes gets criticised (unfairly) for sculpting half-figures instead of traditional busts (how crazy are some people??) but this is a great example of why it works. This bust cries out for the very brave sculpting option you've chosen. Congratulations for having the balls to take the job on. Good luck, I will be following with interest.
 
Hi Mark,
Having done a few equestrian conversions in large scale I can appreciate not only the amount of serious work that goes in, but also your vision. (y)

This is looking fantastic already. I know the rider is not fixed yet and I like him riding high in the saddle, but if you try to push the riders body forward just a touch, that is increase the angle of bend from body to the legs(if they are not fixed) and have him over the horses neck more then take a photo it may look even more explosive. The second photo seems to make him look a bit tall and stiff. Just an idea.

Keep up the great work looking forward to seeing this one progress.
cheers
Richie
 
Great idea ...a lot of work involved but boy is this going to be impressive .....


I agree with the comments bout the positioning , also perhaps the saddle cloth is too long

Good find with the horse ....almost made for the figure

Thanks for sharing looking forward to seeing more on this

Nap
 
Great....just shows how this lovely bust has captured people's imagination......I remember Pete Morton's thread on the possible sculpt on a 200mm mounted subject and this would be magnificent ...all the best with this project and look forward to seeing the end result...Kevin
 
I would to start by thanking everyone for the glowing response to the original bust. It has been well received by the modelling community, and for me that is all that matters. Not for my benefit, but for Graham and CGS.

Now for the mounted conversion.... WOW!!!! Is all I can say. From someone who has sculpted many mounted pieces in many scales over the years, I know what a huge challenge this conversion is. You really have taken on a massive piece, in every respect!
You have made a tremendous start to what will be a spectacular piece of work. I will be watching this unfold with interest my friend!

Great challenge, great work and well done for taking this on!

I'm just happy my scales/proportions all worked out.... lol

Carl
 
Can only echo what has been said by everyone else, the horse compliments this perfectly so that was a great choice-look forward to watching what will be a spectacular piece develop.

Keith
 
What a project!
You might want to correct a couple of things, which, IMHO, do not look right
The wolf's teeth around the shabraque look a bit too large IMHO.
The shabraque's profile does not look right to me. The edge running from the portemanteau to the rider's knee curves to the saddle, in a concave shape, while it should curve away from the saddle, like the one in this pic:

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By the way, the wolf's teeth in the picture look too large also!

Keep on the good job and keep posting pics, please!
 
Hello Mark, A very ambitious, and impressive project your taking on there. I like your start to it. A great choice for the horse in my opinion, Breyer Horses maybe considered toys by some, but with some work, as in the mane, and tail, that you are doing, they can be converted into some spectacular mounts. Breyer Horses are continually improving, and a great place to start in a project such as this. I wish you the best of luck with your conversion Mark, it looks like it will be an exceptional piece. Here is one of many links to Breyer Horses, and a few examples: http://www.breyerhorses.com Regards, SG:)(y)(y)wyattenglish3.jpg711987.enlarge.1.jpg
 
Thanks, all, for your input and kind words of encouragement. The suggestions you have made are helpful and target aspects of the sculpt that I have overlooked or intend to do down the road.

Richie, your thought about canting the rider more forward is consistent with my plan. As it is, the gilet under the cuirasse rests on the top of the shabraque. I will need to remove some material from the gilet and reform the adjacent areas to give it a non-rigid appearance. This will not only make the meeting of the shabraque and gilet more natural-looking, but it will also incline the figure further forward to give him a more aggressive stance. I was holding off to see if what I was doing was actually viable before attacking the figure with a Dremel, but I'm more comfortable with proceeding now.

Nap, I have been going back and forth about the length of the saddle cloth, and your observation tells me that I do need to pare it back a bit.

Dan, funny you mention painting it as a bronze. In a rare moment of clarity, I thought that might be the way to go . . . given my non-existent painting skills. However, having seen the box art in Graham's post, I have decided to stick with the original plan. If it doesn't work out to my satisfaction, I'll give it a bronze overcoat.

Luis, hats off to you. You picked up on something that has been nagging at me for some time, but I wasn't able to identify what it was. Yes, the shabraque needs a deeper arc from the portmanteau to the girth, instead of the rather straight cut I have made of it. I also need to make the edge of the sheepskin more shaggy where it covers the wolf's teeth. That should also help with the issue of the size of the wolf's teeth, as they will be slightly more covered that they are now.

On that subject, I have search for a reliably accurate shabraque for reference, but haven't yet found one. The Musee de l'Armee doesn't have one on display (though they do have a magnificent full-size mounted officer of cuirassier). I may contact the French cav museum in Saumur to see if they can help. Anyone have other suggestions . . . or should I ask: Anyone have an original sheepskin shabraque?

SG, someone did a great job equipping that dapple? You?

Carl, thanks for your endorsement of this lunacy. I must admit, this isn't the first time I have horsed around with one of your pieces. Another Breyer product worked as a perfect complement to your Virginia Cav figure, though so far it has required far less work. Please keep the big cavalry stuff coming.

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