Coming soon from "Kaiser´s Army 1914-18"

[billyturnip]

Train & Artillery jpg's from

Die grauen Felduniformen der deutschen Armee 1914
Verlag Moritz Ruhl, Leipzig , ohne Jahresangabe

 

[billyturnip]

Artillery jpg3 from,

Deutschlands Armee in feldgrauer Kriegs- und Friedens-Uniform
Casberg und v. d. Osten-Sacken, Berlin 1916

Roger.

 

[billyturnip]

All of the above can be obtained on CD or downloaded from http://www.historischer-bilderdienst.de/index.php

Roger.

 

[Ulrich]

Thanks, Roger. I will have a look

Here an old picture from the time before WW1, so not helpful but ....

 

[dave mosher]

To throw some more gas on the fire, if you are depicting a Saxon foot artilleryman, the two cuff buttons would be vertical (one above and one below the cuff piping). Your current cuff configuration is for field artillery, including Saxony. However, all Saxon M1907/10 waffenrocks utilize a triangular rear skirt flap design (Schosstaschenleisten) with one ramp button at the belt line and one at the bottom of each triangle and the bottom of the entire skirt would be piped. All other M1907/10 waffenrocks use the scalloped rear skirt flap design, with one ramp button at the belt line and two additional buttons at the scallop points. As it was pointed out above, Prussian guard foot artillery would use a Swedish cuff vs. a Brandenburg cuff, but it would also use yellow litzen bars with a black stripe in each bar (Spiegel) on the collar and cuff. I also concur that the Y-straps (Trageriemen) were specifically issued and used by cavalry units and I think it would be a stretch for a foot artilleryman to be using them.

Regards

Dave

 

[Ulrich]

Dave: Don´t know why but I have missed your article. You are right the saxonian cuff buttons are different. It is a problem that during the first two years many things changed in the german army and that during that time some German countries (for example Bavaria, Prussia and Saxon) have their own "configuration" for the uniforms. I have got yesterday the kits from the moulder and I think I will declare him to a "Garde-Footartillery-Soldier, Supply unit, 1915". Hope that everyone can live with that

 

[Ulrich]

Found today that photo in an old photo album. It is dated 12.01.1916 and the paybook from one of those soldiers exist too. He was at that time member of Fussartl.-Batt. No. 112 (10cm K. 04) and the photo must be taken in the surroundings of Beresina. Some of them seems to wear straps

 

[martin tabony]

Nice photo but that looks like something the infantry did a lot, before the adoption of the "Y" strap. It is a single strap that passes from one ammo pouch around the neck to the other. I can't remember what the original purpose of the strap was, but it has a clip on each end.

Martin

 

[Ulrich]

Ok. And that is another fact why we talking here about some theoretical things. I know that single straps from Landwehr-Soldiers, you from the infantry. Here we have Foot-Artillery using horses and wearing the straps. So there were regulations and sometimes the soldiers make their on things. I only know that the single strap was used to hold the belt with the ammunition bags as a kind of support.

 

[martin tabony]

I'm sure you're right that the regulations and what actually happened are not always the same thing By 1916 a lot of experience "in the field" had been gained.
In that photo, the men with just a belt (second from left) I assume would be the drivers and the men with the old pattern ammunition pouches would be the gunners.
Martin

 

[Ulrich]

It is very difficult to say. The owner of the paybook Otto Voss was from 01.09.1914: "2. Ers. Batl. 1. Garde Fußartl. Reg. Battr. Nr. 24", from November 1914 it changed in "2. Res. Fussartl. Battr. No 24", March 1916 "Fussartl. Battr. Nr. 112 (10 cm K. 04)", July 1916 "1. Garde-Fuß-Artillerie Regiment Ersatz-Bataillon II. Rekruten Depot", September 1916 "Kgl. Preuß. Fußartl.-Batterie 621", October 1916 " Reserve-Feldartillerie-Regiment Nr. 7. III.", Januar 1917 "Kgl. Preuss. Fußartillerie 1.-Batl. Nr. 79", Febuar 1917 "Kgl. Pr. Minenwerfer Ers.-Regt. 1. Bataillon", March 1917 "Kgl. Preuss. Minen-Werfer-Komp. 320" and at last September 1918 "Kgl. Preuß. Minenwerfer-Batl. 19". He starts as a normal soldier and was at the end of the war "Leutnant der Reserve", got EK 2 and EK 1. During the 4 years he was fighting at the eastern front.

 

[dave mosher]

All
The strap shown in your photo is the canvas bread bag strap, issued with the bag. The strap can be tightened with a sliding buckle and the ends have metal clips which is reinforced with leather. It was very common to use the strap around the neck to support the two cartridge boxes on the belt

Regards

Dave