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Very nice but the mail is very poor. I used proper mail from a 1920's lady's purse for my 200mm knight: https://www.planetfigure.com/threads/200-mm-medieval-knight.116811/
Mike
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NeilW
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Looking good, a great head and a massive 200mm/8" high!
I assume that this is still a WiP but at this scale you'd expect to see every strap, buckle, tie, hook, hinge and rivet!
So, I assume that these will be added.
In the meantime I agree with Mike ref the mail (especially the lower edge where the zig-zag is created by round links not a pretty-well straight edge as shown). Also check out how by this later period, the mail aventail was attached to the bascinet's rim via a system of staples and lacing.
Also: the belt looks rather clumsy-as I understand it, this would normally be a leather belt with applied plates/plaques rather than what looks like rather thick linked plates; the patterning on the belt and helmet wreath look as if they're just jabbed in with a pointed implement; the sabatons should be segmented, not solid plates; the raised lions look overdone* (always an issue, to leave plain, engrave or emboss... I'd go for plain or light engraving); their positioning also looks strange, especially on the jupon (is there a bend or something that runs between them?).
The strapping on the rear of the shield also need some research (although I realise that this may just be blu-tacked on for the photos?).
There are plenty of refs (published and online) for all of these.
All offered as honest feedback, advice and critique, not criticism of what looks as if it could end up to be a stunning piece.
Neil
*Raised/embossed items did exist, especially for padded jupon/gambesons and display shields (eg see Edward, The Black Prince's funeral achievements) but as I understand it, actual combat shields would just have a painted cloth or leather covering. The impression of embossed items perhaps comes from memorial sculptures where low relief was a convenient way of showing the arms' charges (brasses were of course engraved, but that doesn't mean that actual shields were).
I assume that this is still a WiP but at this scale you'd expect to see every strap, buckle, tie, hook, hinge and rivet!
So, I assume that these will be added.
In the meantime I agree with Mike ref the mail (especially the lower edge where the zig-zag is created by round links not a pretty-well straight edge as shown). Also check out how by this later period, the mail aventail was attached to the bascinet's rim via a system of staples and lacing.
Also: the belt looks rather clumsy-as I understand it, this would normally be a leather belt with applied plates/plaques rather than what looks like rather thick linked plates; the patterning on the belt and helmet wreath look as if they're just jabbed in with a pointed implement; the sabatons should be segmented, not solid plates; the raised lions look overdone* (always an issue, to leave plain, engrave or emboss... I'd go for plain or light engraving); their positioning also looks strange, especially on the jupon (is there a bend or something that runs between them?).
The strapping on the rear of the shield also need some research (although I realise that this may just be blu-tacked on for the photos?).
There are plenty of refs (published and online) for all of these.
All offered as honest feedback, advice and critique, not criticism of what looks as if it could end up to be a stunning piece.
Neil
*Raised/embossed items did exist, especially for padded jupon/gambesons and display shields (eg see Edward, The Black Prince's funeral achievements) but as I understand it, actual combat shields would just have a painted cloth or leather covering. The impression of embossed items perhaps comes from memorial sculptures where low relief was a convenient way of showing the arms' charges (brasses were of course engraved, but that doesn't mean that actual shields were).
Compare this to the Verlinden 200mm knights:
https://www.planetfigure.com/threads/verlinden-200mm-henry-v.217866/#post-1046719
https://www.planetfigure.com/threads/200mm-richard-de-vere-11th-earl-of-oxford-agincourt.118330/
The pose and armour are good, as is the face. The heraldry is a little too thick. The shield looks right but needs the correct straps. The mail.............?
Mike
https://www.planetfigure.com/threads/verlinden-200mm-henry-v.217866/#post-1046719
https://www.planetfigure.com/threads/200mm-richard-de-vere-11th-earl-of-oxford-agincourt.118330/
The pose and armour are good, as is the face. The heraldry is a little too thick. The shield looks right but needs the correct straps. The mail.............?
Mike
I suspect this is based on Sir John Codderington see below at Agincourt by the lions, as mentioned some detailing work is needed and will really pay off, I'd buy one if it's done right. The belt is possibly correct given the amount of variation.
Steve
Steve
NeilW
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I agree that it could work up well but I don't really see that. The armours seem quite different and the similarity in the arms quite superficial (2 not 3 lions: no bar... especially as lions, along with eagles, are the most common beasts in all heraldry).
Re the belt: could be linked plates but most brasses/monuments that I've checked show a belt with applied ornamentation (the Codderingtom picture shows just a quite simple swordbelt).
It would be interesting to see any original references for the piece (the two lions vaguely ring a bell from some monument or other).
Neil
NeilW
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Hi Steve,
Yes linked belts did exist (I beleive that the Romans also used them?) but, as you say they were not as common.... that's why I said they'd 'normally be a leather belt with applied plates/plaques...' (either way I think this one isn't terribly well executed).
BTW: just noticed that your repro pic is in fact a belt with plates on top (I recognise this from the buckle on a brass somewhere):
I'm not sure what you mean by '...that's why I said suspect not it is as re the lions'?
Neil
They did I have it, that's what made me think of him re this one, it's based on that picture too.
Steve
NeilW
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Looks like the Barton one is based on the picture: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/90mm-barton-miniatures-sir-john-310525260
The new one clearly isn't (in terms of his armour at least).
In fact it's more like this one from legion: https://www.treefrogtreasures.com/p-12124-kings-standard-bearer-sir-john-codrington.aspx
Either way the arms are missing a lion and bar (unless they're yet to be added) and my comments about other parts remain.
What I must stress is that I wish Tigerdio the best of luck and I'm sure this will end up as a superb piece
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It looks only half-finished to me. And the shield appears to be stuck to the back of his hand via a large magnet.
Has some potential if it's only a W.I.P. Otherwise I'm unimpressed, sorry. As it is now, it looks more like a child's toy knight.
- Steve
Has some potential if it's only a W.I.P. Otherwise I'm unimpressed, sorry. As it is now, it looks more like a child's toy knight.
- Steve
Gentlemen, thanks so much for your input on this work in progress. I need more clarification on the subject since I do not know anything about this time period. My photos are horrible and it's cast in grey so there's a lot of detail that's not showing up. There is lots of detail inside the arms with the connectors/straps holding the armor as well as on the legs. There's also plenty of rivets. The Lion's are all PE parts that I tried to sand down as much as possible and when I put them on they were almost paper thin. I guess if I make another production master in resin and send down the lions and cast it again it will be much better but I don't know if I should. On the strap I have not researched anything on that and I just put it on with blue tack to hold for photos. Any help on that is also appreciated. If someone can give me more pointers in a detailed comment line by line starting with #1, it would be of great help to improve the master or production master and make another casting of it for general production. This master was made over 15 years ago and only now has it seen the light of day. The master was sculpted by Peter Morton. Thanks again all, much appreciate it. I want to put out the best product I can, so your help in essential and if it's within my means of mastering those suggestions, they will be implemented.
Thanks for the comment, but I don't know what Peter Morton used for the chain mail, I don't think he had available a lady's purse he could use ;-) I think he just sculpted it in by hand, I don't know. I think once this piece is painted by someone more talented than me it would look good.
The shield is there tacked on with Blue Tack for photos purposes. I have no idea how I am going to reproduce the leather strap for the shield and any suggestions by you would be welcome. Do I just include something for the builder to use and create it themselves? There is more detail than the photos show. Since it's in light grey none of the rivet's show up.
When you say "bars" what exactly do you mean so I can better correct problems with the piece? I did not see any Lion's on the arms in any photo I have found on the internet, please help and advise. This master by Peter Morton is not based on the photo referenced above with the horse. I guess it's just an interpretation of what it would look like in my humbled opinion. Thanks for any help.
Looks like the Barton one is based on the picture: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/90mm-barton-miniatures-sir-john-310525260
The new one clearly isn't (in terms of his armour at least).
In fact it's more like this one from legion: https://www.treefrogtreasures.com/p-12124-kings-standard-bearer-sir-john-codrington.aspx
Either way the arms are missing a lion and bar (unless they're yet to be added) and my comments about other parts remain.
What I must stress is that I wish Tigerdio the best of luck and I'm sure this will end up as a superb piece
There's more detail on the square pieces on the belt than my lousy photos show. They are not just pushed in by a sharp object. I will post more detailed up and close photos of the belt when I have a chance. Thanks
Looks like the Barton one is based on the picture: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/90mm-barton-miniatures-sir-john-310525260
The new one clearly isn't (in terms of his armour at least).
In fact it's more like this one from legion: https://www.treefrogtreasures.com/p-12124-kings-standard-bearer-sir-john-codrington.aspx
Either way the arms are missing a lion and bar (unless they're yet to be added) and my comments about other parts remain.
What I must stress is that I wish Tigerdio the best of luck and I'm sure this will end up as a superb piece
Thanks for the kind words, If the arms need a lion I have no clue how to put one in that detail on them since that's beyond my sculpting abilities right now. If I could find a PE set for them that would be a great thing.
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