Germans not welcome at the World Expo in Girona ???

[Markus]

Here comes a open letter of our President Bruno Schmäling:

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Germans not welcome at the World Expo in Girona ???

In the most World Expo competition held in different countries, at lest one German was invited to join the Jury. Germans are also invited as Judges to Shows in Italy, France, Greek, Belgium and the Euro Militaire in Folkestone. The Ingolstadt show “Herzog von Bayern” had the reputation to be a competition of a very high and fair level of judgement.

For this reason we were very surprised when we learned, that no German was invited to act as Judge at the World Expo in Girona and we first thought this was a mistake.

I wrote a letter to the organizer of the show and asked why no German was invited in the Jury, but I never got any answer, a strange behaviour that can only be registered as a lack of good manners.

After I never got an answer from the Spanish organizer, I wrote a mail to Mr. Shepard Pain and explained him the situation. As Mr. Pain told me, he and Mr. Bill Horan had asked the Spanish organizers of the World Expo to invite a German judge.

The answer of the Spanish organizer was that they had no intention to invite any German to be in the Jury. Also a second approach of Mr. Pain and Mr. Horan to invite at least one German to the Jury was rejected by the Spanish organizer.

According to our understanding a World Expo should incorporate peoples from all over the world to guarantee a fair competition and not to exclude or discriminate people because of their nation, ethnic, race ore religion.

The behaviour of the Spanish organizer of the World Expo can only be regarded as a deliberated insult to the German figurine world and a discrimination of the German sculptors and painters.

We are very sorry that such behaviour is shown in connection with a World Expo, a behaviour that according to our understanding violates the sense of the World Expo.

We want to give our warm thanks to Mr. Shepard Pain and Mr. Bill Horan, for their friendly support and their fair treatment of the German participants in Boston.

We are sure that in the future, there will be World Expos in other places, were all nations are welcome to make an international gathering of people in fairness and friendship.

We will be happy to join such a future World Expo.


Bruno Schmäling
President of the Foundation Artist & Figurine Germany

Carsten Abel
Vice President of the Foundation Artist & Figurine Germany

Michael Seitz
Secretary of the Foundation Artist & Figurine Germany

Konrad Schulte
Senior Consultant and Webdesigner of the Foundation Artis & Figurine Germany

Markus Eckmann

Public Relations of the Foundation Artists & Figure Germany

 

[jitch0t]

Hi, from my ignorance...

Is there any rule in World Expos that says that there must be a judge from every country?

 

[Diegoff]

Hello.

You mean that you speak in the name of ALL germans?

And what about Ireland, Holland, Norge...

 

[megroot]

Hi, from my ignorance...

Is there any rule in World Expos that says that there must be a judge from every country?

I don't think. But ( i don't know for sure) it is a kind of gentlemans agreement.
And if the Germans where always invited for the greatest show, why not for the world expo. If they where invited they had the choice if they want go or not.
And if Mr Pain, and Mr Horan, personally asked why not they not invited the German's and got the answer that there was no intention to ask the Germans to participate into the jury.
But let's see who are into the jury. I hope that it aren''t all Spanish, because then I have my reasonable doubt's about he jury.


The German jury's has my deepest symphaty, and they really know how to judge.
So, for me it is unbelievable that no German is into the jury.

Marc

 

[megroot]

Hello.

You mean that you speak in the name of ALL germans?

And what about Ireland, Holland, Norge...

For the Hollanders i can speak. Here in Holland (Netherlands) are not really alot off people who paint figures. You cannot buy white metal figure's here in Holland,and the resin are most at the time WW I, mostly they are plastic figures from tamiya.
So there are no capable judges here.

marc

 

[Bruno]

Hello,

noboy can say to speake of ALL Germans or Spanish or what ever, but this letter is written from the leading German figurine association and represents the feeling of the majority of the German figurine world.

Of course there is no rule to invite every country, but can you imagen there is a Football World Championchip with lets say 22 nations and only Germany, England, France and Portugal are provide the reveree for all games?

I dont think the other nations would accept suche a "arangement".

Best regards

Bruno Schmäling
President Foundation Artist and Figurine Germany

 

[jitch0t]

Hello Marc

I really can't believe what I'm reading. I'm not a part of the WE organization so I don't know the reasons why they didn't invite german judges but as spanish that I am I feel like you are saying that german judges know better how to judge than the spanish ones??

That's what I find unbelievable.

 

[Bruno]

Hello Daniel,

sorry you missunderstand Marc, nobody says thet German judges better than the spanish, but they are not worst than the spanish.

Bruno

 

[Uruk-Hai]

I can understand that the Germans feels left out.
And after all, the name of the event is "World-Expo".

If there are enough(have there ever been, at any event?) judges it would at least be normal curtiosy to invite at least one German?

Never the less I hope to meet a lot of Germans at the World-Expo as well as a lot of other nationalities as well. Not only as judges but as exhibitors, attendies and visitors.

Cheers

 

[modelix]

world

HELLO

Portugal is a country with fantastics modellers and don´t have a member in the jury, and Spain is neer us!!!!! whats the problem!!! is a WorldExpo not WorldJuryExpo!!


Best Regards

VITALINO

 

[Bruno]

Hello Vitalino,

it is not a question of a name, it is a question of a fairness and respect

Bruno

 

[Guy]

I feel very sad and surprised to see this thread on a public forum. Especially when I go over to the Spanish forum and do not see anything posted. That would be the first place I would expect to see this political question posted. Directly to them. This brings into the fun hobby the politics that should be keep out of the forums.

Nothing is mentioned of what judges, from what countries are the judges. So how can we base your claim? I can only base it as a one sided attempt to garnish support for your cause.

In all of the years I have participated in judging at shows I have never heard the question brought up of what judges are from what country. We have always left our nationality at the door and all become just painters and there to have fun and learn. I find it distasteful that you try to cram politics down the member’s throats that come here for other reasons and meet and enjoy new friends.

I suggest you continue to “Privately” communicate with the Spanish WE people and not continue to pursue public ally support when not offering all the facts. I feel postings like this do nothing but undermine our hobby and cause dissention between members.

It is after all a Spanish World Expo and I for one feel they are more than qualified to do all the judging if they see fit to do so. It would be much easier for the judges to communicate if all spoke the same language.

Once again I find topics like this distasteful and do nothing to better the hobby and if anything bring barriers between us here on the forums.

 

[Diegoff]

I don´t think that this problem has anything to do with politics. I know that nobody can speak for the germans at least he had been voted by them.
I have been at various World Expo since Paris(1996). I have been judging in two of them as in many shows in various countries.
Never thought to write any organization to include me as judge. Always the organization asked me if I want to be a judge.
What I see here is a series of pressures on the organization WE to include a determined judge... just because have to be a german judge. Following this way of thinking there must be gold medals for all the countries.
As the organization is showing its independence of criteria, the next step is to make a campaign against the WE at Spain.
What would be happened if the organization surrenders to the pressures and accept the imposed judge? No problem.
Why not suggest in this case who deserve a medal, too?
Very sad issue that discover how some people´s mind work.

 

[lbfactory]

Hi all
I've just read this on this forum and time...
I understand markus and bruno about WE jury but i don't think the organisation don't want german modellers.
Guy i think that the language is not a prolem for judging we all speake english.
for me they are to much french judges (4 or 5)
best
ps Guy could you put a real french flag THIS ONE IS NOT CORRECT

 

[Guy]

ps Guy could you put a real french flag THIS ONE IS NOT CORRECT

Send gordy an email at [email protected] and he should be able to take care of the flag. I have not been a moderator since May 1st of this year and no longer have the controls to change it.

Guy

 

[billyturnip]

ps Guy could you put a real french flag THIS ONE IS NOT CORRECT

Ah now I understand Seb's signature, thats flag Tango, I should've spotted that before.

 

[Bruno]

Hello Guy,

sorry, we tried to communicate directly with the Spanish Organisers, but they never answerd our letters. Is this a correct way to deal with people.

We had to use a international forum to make things public which should be put under the carpet. A World Expo is not a national show, but schould be a gathering of nations and a fair treatment for all who participate. If this is not happend, because one nation is directly excluded, I think this is a topic which inflicts the figurine scene and it my also rise the questions why not judges from more differnt countries? The world dons not exist only of four or five nations.

We would like to post this letter in the Spain Forum, bat we have not connection to Spanish forums as we don't speake spanish, but English.

@ Alan, I would be very surprised if you would write the same statement if English people excluded from the Jury?

Best regards

Bruno

 

[Guy]

I don't speak Spanish either and have been a member of Lilliput longer than the planet. I read their postings through google or bablefish translator. My postings on Lilliput are in English and they welcome them. Many English postings are done on the Spanish forums and most Spanish members also speak and read English.

Guy

 

[Bruno]

Hi Guy,

can you send me the link to Liliput. We will post it.

Best regards from Germany

Bruno

 

[jitch0t]

The link is:

http://www.lilliputmodel.com/foro_discusion