Green Stuff question

[Szaven]

Hey guys!

I have a short question on green stuff.

I bought some green stuff on ebay Germany, waited a long time for it and finaly it was send from the UK. Well, never mind...

Now I started testing it and I find it quite hard. Magic Sculp is like water in contrast to the green stuff I have.

I really have problems handle it. Is that regular texture of green stuff or is it just very old stuff I got there?

Hope you could help me!

Bye
Sven

 

[Jason W.]

Sven,

After mixing putties like Magic Sculp or Aves, your green stuff WILL feel tougher to mix. Kneadatite, has a different consistancy than other putties. It has a "gummy" quality to it. I guess the only way to test it is to apply it to a large area, like a pant leg or such. If it's impossible to blend with other sections of putty than you may have an old batch. You could try mixing different ratios, say a little more yellow than blue. This tends to make it more soft but slower to cure. Play with it and let us know.

Jason

 

[Einion]

Hi Sven, did you buy the ribbon type or the two rolls?

Each type of putty has its good and bad points but for the things that GS/Duro/Kneadatite is good for it's unbeatable, just have to get used to it. GS isn't a clay-like putty like MagicSculp, Apoxie Sculpt and Milliput; its texture is often described as 'plasticy' or waxy, particularly when it stiffens up later in the working period.

There's tons of guides to sculpting with GS online because it's so popular with sculptors of minis so you won't have any trouble finding tips on working with it.

If you think it's really far too stiff to use you might try a simple thing - changing the proportions. I commonly use something like 3:2 or even 2:1 (more yellow than blue). I much prefer this kind of ratio to a straight 1:1 blend for most jobs as it makes it softer and slightly less sticky.

Einion

 

[dbang1988]

Is the green stuff like the Tamiya's 2 part expoxy putty?

 

[Jeff]

"Is the green stuff like the Tamiya's 2 part expoxy putty?"
I do not think so, unless they have something I am not aware of. It is the same as Citadels two part epoxy ribbon.



One other thing you might try is to mix the green stuff with magicsculpt. I do this all the time. What you get is a sculpting putty with the best qualities of both materials. It is stiffer then magic sculpt alone and it is more flexible then magicsculpt alone. It blends easer then Kneadatite alone and you can use wet brushes just like you can with magic sculpt. Just premix equal amounts amounts of both an then mix them together.

 

[Szaven]

Thanks a lot to all of you for your answers!

@ Jason
I'll try but since I read the rest of the posts, I think it's texture is reagular.

@ Einon
I bought the ribbon. I'll try mixing it like you said.

@ Jeff
I have never tought of mixing two different types of putty but it sounds very interesting.

 

[Einion]

@ Einon
I bought the ribbon.

Okay, where the two parts meet (as you'd expect) the putty will begin to set. I would recommend you separate the blue and the yellow now and store them apart.

You often have to discard a narrow hardened strip in the centre, but the longer the two colours are in contact the wider this gets.

Einion

 

[je_touche]

Alter?

GS wird mit der Zeit immer härter und eignet sich irgendwann fast nicht mehr zum Modellieren. Es kommt sehr drauf an, daß es noch frisch ist, dann ist es ein tolles Material. Vielleicht hat Dir jemand altes GS verkauft.

Übrigens kann man GS wunderbar mit MS mischen (50/50 oder in jeder gewünschten Zusammensetzung), dann hat man eine wunderbare Modelliermasse, die eigentlich die Vorzüge beider Massen vereint, ohne die Nachteile zu haben. Ich modelliere fast nur noch mit dieser Mischung.

 

[Hammond_Lord]

Re: Green Stuff

When using Green Stuff, I always add a little bit of water to soften it up. It makes the sculpting much easier, even with the 1:1 mix. Hope this helps.

Regards,

Nemanja

 

[Szaven]

GS wird mit der Zeit immer härter und eignet sich irgendwann fast nicht mehr zum Modellieren.

Dann mache ich die Löcher in der Wand damit zu.

@ Einion Can't see anything setting, I just feel it by pressing on the line where it meets.

@ Hammond I'll try, thanks!

 

[Manfred]

Sven, formerly I bought the ribbon green stuff. Nowadays I buy the tiny strips from the GW shops.

Yes, I hear all of you shout at me. You lost it mate, much too expensive! But, I am not apower user of green stuff, mainly use it for details and as an add-in for Magic Sculp. The ribbons always got hard on me after using about 15-20%. A small GW package lasts me about 18- 20 months.

So I changed my approach to just buy ultra fresh GS from my GW shop here in Cologne.
They have a high turn around (lots of 15 year olds with too much cash) and fresh Green Stuff is a pleasure to mix and to sculpt with (the yellow is almost creamy - never had that softness even with a "new" ribbon).

 

[marc]

Do you all keep your unused stock in the freezer?
I find this helps keep it fresh.
Especially milliput.

I use greenstuff as an additive to milliput when making small stuff.

Bit behind the times here though as i have only used milliput and greenstuff.
I have not tired other epoxy putties.

I think one of these days i ought to take some time out to play!

Anyhow.
Hi folks!
This is my first post in these fascinating forums.


Mark

 

[Guy]

Welcome to the planet Mark. Although I don't use Milliput or Green Stuff I do keep my containers of Magic Sculpt in zip lock baggies once I open them. Works for me.

 

[marc]

Thanks Guy
I sort of grew up with milliput and have used it for many different things, I was even pretty late to greenstuff.
The combo of green and milliput has been a very useful addition to the armoury.
I have not really gelled with super sculpey yet.
I guess it's because i like to do quite a bit of work on the hard materials.
Grinding milliput uggh , instant dust bowl, my computer loves it!

 

[Einion]

Do you all keep your unused stock in the freezer?
I find this helps keep it fresh.
Especially milliput.

That's probably a very wise idea with Milliput, which has a definite shelf-life.

MagicSculp is different, seems to last practically indefinitely and there's a newer formula that lasts even better than the older type (less crystallisation of the resin). Apoxie Sculpt has similar properties to MS and so far my one seems to me to be exactly as the day I bought it.

With Kneadatite/Duro/GS, if you buy the tube container with the yellow and blue separate then it automatically keeps a lot better than in a ribbon. Just as an extra precaution I have the blue and yellow rolls stored in separate compartments.

Einion

 

[marc]

I need to find out where i can get the tubes of greenstuff, I still have some left in tube form plus a few backup ribbons.
It does last quite sometime as I only use tiny amounts added the milliput.
Larger objects tend to be 100 % milliput.
I am very curious about the magicsculp though.
I love the idea of of good shelf life,is it good for working in bulk like milliput?

 

[Einion]

I need to find out where i can get the tubes of greenstuff, I still have some left in tube form plus a few backup ribbons.

For the UK I don't know a source for sure. Sylmasta might stock it, not sure.

I am very curious about the magicsculp though.
I love the idea of of good shelf life,is it good for working in bulk like milliput?

Oh yeah.

Handling-wise it's like a blend of Milliput and GS. Only better. And the blending is sooo easy.

Its only real downside for most people is that the standard colour is a teeny bit transparent (just on the surface) so it's tricky to see fine surface detail as clearly as you'd like. You can learn to adjust - all the heads in my sig were done in straight MS - but many sculptors just mix in some dry pigment or a little acrylic paint.

It is also available in colours but not widely and I think it's always a little more expensive.

Einion

 

[marc]

Sylmasta rings a bell..

Not to keen on translucent modelling materials to put it mildly.[did not like straight super sculpy because of this]
I know it is possible to adapt, but the fact is you still can't see the correct effect of the light and shade when working.
Mixing in pigment seems like it could become a real chore too.

But then again lots of people use it great effect.
I shall certainly give some a try.

 

[theBaron]

Sven, formerly I bought the ribbon green stuff. Nowadays I buy the tiny strips from the GW shops

Entschuldige, Manfred, aber was heißt denn “GW shop”? Den Begriff kenne ich nicht.

Es grüßt aus Bethlehem
Brad

 

[theBaron]

Interesting topic, and great tip about Miliput's shelf-life, folks. I never thought about my Miliput going bad. I do keep it wrapped as air-tight as possible, each half in its own wrapper, but that's so simple, it makes perfect sense.

Prost, beianand!
Brad