Harold Ii The Last English King

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I can honestly say the best figure of this period I have ever seen.
Great staying power to actually make the chain mail and at such a reasonable price, as you say commercial suicide!
Beautiful workmanship
Cheers,
Keith
 
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The photos show a 12th century axe. The haft, while not original, is ancient. The total weight of the axe is only 770g (1.7 lb.), less than some swords. In the hand, it's beautifully balanced, fast, and is easily directed towards the target. It's hard to claim that an axe is brutish or sluggish after experiencing something as well balanced as this example. Taken from the site you posted Stefano ;)
Possibly one of the reasons the staffs are so slim (and this is purely my own take on it I don't know if it's true or accurate) is that much like a sword you do not want a rigid inflexible handle as this is more likely to snap/shatter with repeated blows, if the shaft has a degree of flex then it's A) more likely to absorb the impact and not suffer from stress damage and B) not jar your hands/arms badly on impact which could cause you to lose grip

Steve
 
Hi Steve, this is in fact a one handed axe ..and if you look carefully at the haft is larger in proportion of the two handed axe of the sculpt which has to weigh more than that light axe of the photo ..;)
anyway as i said this is the only fault IMO on this very nice bust.
cheers
 
anyway as i said this is the only fault IMO on this very nice bust.
So the fact that rings on torso and coif go in horyzontal rows instead of vertical brings no objection ? :D
Having made a few chainmails and knowing how linking is done to make a chainmail that works, it does bug me.

But I do forget that these days people are not fussed.
 
So the fact that rings on torso and coif go in horyzontal rows instead of vertical brings no objection ? :D
Having made a few chainmails and knowing how linking is done to make a chainmail that works, it does bug me.

But I do forget that these days people are not fussed.
You mean like this i suppose
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yes, i noticed something wrong on the brings, but honestly the chain mail is so beautiful and with that tremendous job that i couldn't find the courage to object something, also thought that with a painting camouflage with the folds of the mail , that fault could be partially hidden IMHO. :D
 
yes, i noticed something wrong on the brings, but honestly the chain mail is so beautiful

Yep, that is the problem area- because the reasons for linking the rows this way is to allow for chainmain to shrink and cover the body like a glove- thats why I commented that those folds on torso arent technically possible unless something is pushing chain upwards, chainmail doesnt behave like this.

You are completely right though - I liked the links so much - its hard to point out about something else. But we are talking feedback for the artist on a great job already - with view of next work beeing absolutely great.
Proven yet again = if you want a good chainmail on a bust - one needs to make a chainmail :)
 
Hi Guys ,

I have the bust in front of me and to be honest the mail is a superb piece of work .........I am no expert on mail but are we 100% sure that mail was not done other ways .

I totally respect the knowledge on mail by both Gaudin and Ubbi and I for one am learning lots .

Nap
 
According to this mail maker it should be made horizontally "
How Mail Should Hang

It is extremely important that mail hangs correctly. If mail is hung incorrectly the links spread apart defeating the purpose of the armour. The diagram to the right shows how mail consists of rows of links (the arrows show the rows and the way the links in a given row lie). For mail to hang correctly the rows must be horizontal.
All the surviving pieces of mail I know of are constructed in this way. If you see a coat of mail with rows that appear to hang vertically, it's probably made of knitted string! (This can otherwise look quite effective, but from what I can remember about the Robin Hood series on British TV, the actor playing Guisborne had to be cut out of his mail when it shrank after a muddy pond fight.)" http://homepage.ntlworld.com/trevor.barker/farisles/guilds/armour/mail.htm I've never made mail myself so just throwing this out there.......

Steve
 
For mail to hang correctly the rows must be horizontal.
All the surviving pieces of mail I know of are constructed in this way

That article and description is illustrating my point, Steve - more likely I didnt make myself clear (and I think I know why - have a look at diagram labeled "starting the piece"- thats what in my mind I refered as rows - because thats how you add rings when you make it, pure practicality, shown horizontal, but in the mail - these rows go vertical)

For our discussion - its horizontal rows of opposing rings, indeed.
Have a look to compare- here is the diagram from the article (coincidentally, its same article I read about 15 years ago when I started - thank you, it brought some memories :))
and close up where I made a little illustration - you can see what I mean - and this exactly what this mail maker is saying.

The weight of the rings in Rob's version would pull down so not only they would stretch like wool jumper and leave empty spaces between rings, but also the "fabric" of mail would hang like a sack along whole diameter of the shirt.

Where as when its done like on diagram - the rings group together by their own weight and density of rings gets thicker, also they tend to flow around your body like a glove, following your shape thus making armour better.

I am no expert on mail but are we 100% sure that mail was not done other ways .
Kev,
Steve has just answered, but yes, based on surviving examples in Europe, thats the way. Japanese mail is different.
This european example is 1 in 4 rings method, but you sometimes get 2 in 8 - those mails were very rigid, but very secure, usually reserved for kings I believe
 

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Thank you for the very interesting feedback on the mail. I will take this into account when working on the companion piece. One problem is that I have found it impossible to find chain of the right scale that is circular. The stuff I used is slightly oval, which works horizontally, but is less successful vertically where the 'ovalness' is more obvious. I have tried making scale mail, link by link, for another project, but in this scale it is almost impossible and involved more swearing than any household should have to put up with:)
 
One problem is that I have found it impossible to find chain of the right scale that is circular.

Rob, I am not sure what you mean - did you use oval links from a chain?

You are right, its a nightmare as soon as you try to go smaller.

A holy grail here would be to make some sort of a stamp based on your pattern that you could imprint onto fresh putty.
 
Run through the the vintage clothes shops. In the 1920's and 30's mail material was popular style of change purse or clutch purse for ladies. The links were very small and beautifully put together. Find one and you'll have enough to make a stamp mold for future projects. The mail is sometimes a bit too large for the projects we typically work on, but there is the occasion that you will find one made of very fine mail that is perfect for this scale.
I found a few that I picked up for pennies on the dollar at a vintage shop and at estate sale stores and gifted to friends that are really into the whole vintage clothing thing.
 
It's right about the chain mail-wrong way- but a totally brave man for doing it!
In awe of you mate!:)
And a great bit of paintwork too!
Good luck with the range
 
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