IDEA FOR NEW UNIFORM REFERENCE THREAD

[mick3272]

Greetings ALL,

I have had the idea to create a new Thread Category entitled ' Uniform Reference ' I have been in contact with the moderators and they think it is feasible but will require a lot of thought and effort, to put into practice.

This site has a plethora of information on this subject but it is spread all over the place. The members knowledge of this subject is second to none but the information is in their heads or own library.

The Idea is to post images of original Uniform, Headgear, Accoutrements , Weapons, etc. as shown below :-

This is an actual coatee of a Coldstream Guards, Guardsman 1855. Fact. Not an artists impression or best educated guess. But Fact.


Below is is a painting /print of Other Ranks Guard Order 1844. Note No lace and buttons shown on the tail of the coatee. My point being although it looks right its NOT.

Although the above print appears incorrect it is still helpful but should be used as secondary information, BUT not posted on this thread,

So thats my Idea, The integrity of the thread will be in the hands of the members that post.

I would also say that the actual thread should not be used for discussion or helpful advice??

ONLY Post image and brief description.

The next problem is how to break it down.
My original thought was to have a separate thread for each Regiment but that in hindsight would be huge. So plan 'B' is to break it down into periods of history. ie Napoleonic British, Napoleonic French. Crimean. AWI, WW1 etc.

THAT'S IT.​

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If you have taken the trouble to read all this I would appreciate any and all comments as to if in your opinion there is any mileage in it. Would it be helpful????????​

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Thanks​

Mick​

 

[billyturnip]

That's an excellent idea Mick. For each of my projects I have a reference folder. It wouldn't be a problem to upload my reference pics into the relevant section of a Uniforms & equipment section on PF.

 

[Dan Morton]

Good idea!

Do we want the collection of images and references to be indexed in some manner - to enable searching? If we don't set up an index first, the collection of images and references is naturally going to go in every direction at once.

How about by subjects and year groups?

Military
Balkan Wars 1912 to 1913
Korean War 1949 to 1953 [Do I have the years right?]
Franco - Prussian War 1870

Non-military
Depression era images 1929 - 1940

Will the moderators impose limits up front on obviously trademarked or copyrighted material?
Color and black and white images or just color?
Just uniforms? How about field equipment and weapons?

All the best,
Dan

 

[Tutilo17]

Sounds like a great idea!
Stefan

 

[mick3272]

Hi.

Roger Thanks My point, you have the info re the projects you have done, others doing similar Figs etc would find your research most helpful if you are willing to
share.

Dan. The moderators are looking at a dropdown index for the threads, As stated under plan B its just a case of identifying the periods/headings required. Yes I hope it would cover Weapons, Kit. etc If not under a separate heading then within the main period heading. This is dependent on the number of headings available.

In relation to copyright and trademarked material Im sure there will be some type of ruling/guidelines.

In relation to Black & White. Roger Fenton's Crimean photo's are in Black & white and are an excellent source of information. So why not.

Thanks for your thoughts
Mick

 

[billyturnip]

if you are willing to share.

Of course, we can all help each other with this and it will also be a great help for those who don't have a reference library or doing the kind of project where they don't have any previous knowledge.

 

[Nap]

H Mick ,

Like the idea ( my apologies for not replying to your pm though) , it's a good thing to gave info in one place ...definitely indexed ....

Definitely no off thread postings in it!

I will put as much references on my reviews as normal but this will certainly be another info source for all .

One thing do we not have a reference part of the forum ...will the geniuses behind PF be able to get the info over to a new section?...or maybe this idea could be incorporated with in that?

Nap

 

[mick3272]

Hi Nap.
I think it will be under the umbrella of the Historical Ref & media thread, But the aim being posting 100% accurate images as opposed to prints/paintings etc that MAY contain some artistic licence. But as you say definitely no off thread posting, and in the case of a difference of opinion post questions/opinion on a separate thread.
Nice meeting with you on saturday thanks for replying
Mick

 

[Dan Morton]

OK Mick! I'm all in and ready, but the index or drop down menus or whatever have to come first, right? If we have some kind of easy to understand index, we can all just self load images and text. Eager to see what happens.

All the best,
Dan

 

[billyturnip]

One thing do we not have a reference part of the forum ...will the geniuses behind PF be able to get the info over to a new section?...or maybe this idea could be incorporated with in that?

Nap

We do, my personal opinion is that this should be kept as it is to allow for questions and discussion, also going off on a tangent isn't always a bad thing as far as discussions go.
Perhaps uniforms & equipment can be incorporated into it as a sub forums with further sub forums for subject/historical period?

 

[billyturnip]

But the aim being posting 100% accurate images as opposed to prints/paintings etc that MAY contain some artistic licence.

Impossible!

 

[mick3272]

Impossible!

When you say impossible do you mean :-
a, The membership wont keep it 100% If yes I dont suppose there is a lot you can do as you are relying on the integrity and knowledge and there understanding of the aims of the thread.
or
b, Images cannot be relied on to be 100% Image 1, above is an actual coatee worn by CG 1855. Fact 100%, Then you are back to the membership to do there best to post accurate images.

Mick

 

[billyturnip]

When you say impossible do you mean :-
a, The membership wont keep it 100% If yes I dont suppose there is a lot you can do as you are relying on the integrity and knowledge and there understanding of the aims of the thread.
or
b, Images cannot be relied on to be 100% Image 1, above is an actual coatee worn by CG 1855. Fact 100%, Then you are back to the membership to do there best to post accurate images.

Mick

In a lighthearted way I meant a. Mick.
If however posts were restricted to photo's of actual items of uniform as in the photo of the Coldstream Guards coatee you posted, it would go a long way to ensure content is as accurate as possible.
I'm still all for it.

 

[mick3272]

In a lighthearted way I meant a. Mick.
If however posts were restricted to photo's of actual items of uniform as in the photo of the Coldstream Guards coatee you posted, it would go a long way to ensure content is as accurate as possible.
I'm still all for it.

At the end of the day mate, We will only get out what people put in and my original idea/aim is a thread full of Image 1, above and similar images. If it is kept at that you dont need discussion. You only need discussion when you have an image like No.2 above, Half will say its correct and the other half will say the back of the tail should have lace and buttons, followed by pistols at dawn and the thread goes to rat **** full of willy waving
Mick

 

[billyturnip]

At the end of the day mate, We will only get out what people put in and my original idea/aim is a thread full of Image 1, above and similar images. If it is kept at that you dont need discussion. You only need discussion when you have an image like No.2 above, Half will say its correct and the other half will say the back of the tail should have lace and buttons, followed by pistols at dawn and the thread goes to rat **** full of willy waving
Mick

I completely agree Mick. I think that the current discussion forum should coexist with what you suggest for people to ask questions on specific subjects and wave their willy's if the need arises without it interfering with the photo archive you suggest.

 

[mick3272]

I completely agree Mick. I think that the current discussion forum should coexist with what you suggest for people to ask questions on specific subjects and wave their willy's if the need arises without it interfering with the photo archive you suggest.

You have it in one mate Perfect. eg This New thread may only have an image of Regiment 'A' which has buttons in pairs with square ended lace. Joe Bloggs wants an image of Regt 'B' that is not available, but also has buttons in pairs Square ended lace but different facings. This can be dealt with on on the existing forums.
Mick

 

[peedee]

Mick you are a genius, I think the idea is truly ace.

We can use a seperate thread, ( like Roger's thread for artists and illustrators),
for any prints we wish to collate, and this
New index purely for photos of artifacts only.

Once indexes and categories are decided upon it's an ideal sharing format.

I Love it.

I am eager and ready to share my bootlace collection 1832 -1985.
I also have some pics of sweatstains from raj to end of empire that will be invaluable.
Don't you just hate it when gurkhas jungle shirts are too pale

Paul

 

[Dan Morton]

Following up your last three comments.

"That's not the right color for that uniform*!"

*Or piece of equipment or ...whatever.

If I had 10 cents for every time I've heard that...

or

Variation A of above...

"That uniform didn't have a stand up collar!"

Variation B...

"Yes it did! I have an Osprey illustration that shows it clearly!"

Aaargh!

I'm under no illusions however. No matter how many authoritative photos, sources, etc. we use, there will always be some b@$+@rd.

Roll on the index say I!

All the best,
Dan

 

[Tubby-Nuts2]

Hi Nap.
I think it will be under the umbrella of the Historical Ref & media thread, But the aim being posting 100% accurate images as opposed to prints/paintings etc that MAY contain some artistic licence. But as you say definitely no off thread posting, and in the case of a difference of opinion post questions/opinion on a separate thread.
Nice meeting with you on saturday thanks for replying
Mick

Perhaps it could be as simple as dropping the 'Media', part, and replacing it with 'Uniforms'. So that it reads. 'Historical reference and Uniforms'. .. much more concise.

Regards,

Mark.

 

[Tubby-Nuts2]

It is viable and covers all requests! as regards 'Uniform'. ... I was never sure about the 'Media', tag. As most media is covered within the 'Lounge'.

Regards, as always.

Mark.