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Mariner

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I stumbled on PF purely by accident and after a few months, am hooked for life. I've been thinking what a great pastime this is, and am thinking of trying to start a small club. Not sure if any modellers live in my area, but I think it would be a wonderful hobby to introduce.
My local hobby shop owners won't stock historical models because they say there is no demand for them, other than for the gaming enthusiasts. I was astonished to hear that. We have lots of train, plane, boat modellers etc but no historical enthusiasts, and I think it's because a lot of people have no idea what's out there.
Is it just me, or is this hobby difficult to get people interested in?

Mary
 
I found the same thing at my local hobbytown. No interest in historical subjects. I fear that much of our hobby will slowly die out as fantasy mini's become the rage anymore. If you go to any figure shows you will notice that most of the painters are men in their 40's and up. Hopefully some of the outstanding mini painters will start to paint some historical kits and pump some life into our hobby.
 
I think one of the biggest issues is the steep learning curve hat can act as a bar to new modellers joining the hobby. I get lots of folks looking and marvelling at my modelling cabinet but no one ever says "how can I start doing that?" Perhaps converting fantasy modellers is an option. That seems to be the only area of modelling with growth in the last few years.

Also, I'm not sure what the general level of interest is in history these days. Even in my generation (I'm 55) there are many who don't have any interest in history.

Colin
 
This debate has been raging for some time but when you look at continental Europe there appears to be many modellers in their 20's & 30's and upwards coming into the hobby-in fact many of them are active on this and other forums. I think there are 2 main problems, 1) the entry cost is high and 2) The hobby lacks exposure. My entry was via a shop long since defunct that I found in my lunch hour , I still have a kit which on the bottom of the box has the initials KD £10 and the date, the same for the following month and presumably on month 3 I had enough to complete the purchase....this was in the mid 80's. In spite of modelling on and off since then I have only taken an interest in history since retiring 4.5 years ago-my knowledge of army matters, guns, tactics, regiments etc is zero.............but I love the painting and this has stimulated a more academic interest...it's never too late to learn. I'm optimistic about the hobby and its future.

Keith
 
Another interesting topic Mary. I think starting a local club is a good idea IF you can find enough people to make it viable. But you never know, there may be a bunch of folks out there in your town sitting at home all frustrated and thinking they're the only ones! I also do armour (and have recently started dabbling in aircraft as well) and have started attending a local modelling club on the second Wednesday in every month. Nothing fancy - just a bunch of blokes in their 40s, 50s and 60s sitting around some tables "geeking it" for a couple of hours over kits or books or builds or WIPs that people have brought in.

As others have said, expense and lack of exposure are probably the main obstacles to attracting new blood. It's not a cheap hobby by any means, and shelling out £25 for a single 54mm figure is probably enough to put youngsters off - or make them look towards gaming instead as an outlet for their creative and artistic juices. Hence our hobby tends to be populated for the most part by affluent (or at least relatively affluent) people "of a certain age" with more disposable income, with not too much new blood following on to take up the slack.

We also live in an age of I-want-it-now instant gratification, in which many young people seem to have the attention span of an amoeba and simply "can't be arsed" (as we say in England) taking time over things and certainly don't like having the old grey matter taxed too much. Hence the popularity of moronic TV shows like "Big Brother" and all that mindless "celebrity" and "reality" crap. Not all are like that of course - but far too many are. They also grow up spoiled and pampered, with often pricey fashion and material demands being too readily and too quickly satisfied by parents who are eager to please, and so they get all the latest gizmos and gadgetry served up virtually at the drop of a hat. The thought of spending an hour watching a history documentary or taking a whole evening painstakingly painting a tunic on a miniature figure would have most of ''em running for the hills. After all, why bother doing "nerdy" stuff like that when you can spend that time playing the latest "Call Of Duty" on the new XBox that your folks have so generously given you for your birthday to plug into your very own 40" LED flatscreen TV that you got last Christmas? Whereas in our day we'd save up for weeks to buy an Airfix kit from the local model shop (or maybe months if it was something like the big Series 9 B-29 Superfortress, or Tamiya's 1/24 scale Tiger tank that cost the head-spinning sum of £9.99). So I think it's a generational attitude thing as well - which is where modelling dads come in to help turn things around!!

- Steve
 
In our region (Ottawa/Gatineau, Canada), we are about 5 or 6 friends that meet on a regular basis. Every month, we have a small meeting and we talk about our new projects and all the work that we did in the past month.

There is no rule and no president. Just friend meeting and talking.

There is also other groups of painters and modellers in our region. Some youngster will play table top figure fantasy games. Other will build models, planes, cars, tanks, etc...

We have tried to get new people involved by making demos. We have organized painting demos here and there, and we have found out that there is a little bit interest. I guess the main problem is that painting figures is something not easy to do and get good result. Plus, fantasy figures dont require to follow certain rules, colors, schemes. You can do whatever you want. And you can play with it.

So, maybe the only new people, that will join the community, will be those who are not involve in any group and that are already painting figures. But not sure if those people exist!!!
 
You have all expressed what I was thinking but was hesitant to post in my initial thread. I agree completely with Steve; but I also see the kids don't hesitate to drop hundreds on electronics and video games run $60-80 a pop. I suspect you're right about the history part. There are a lot of well-off seniors in my area (I'm 57 and not one of them:cry:) but they could be put off by the effort it takes to acquire skill in this hobby.

I'm a reporter at a busy newspaper, and every year we get students doing a 'hands-on' placement to learn about journalism. The last one we had spent his hours each day plugged into an iPod, with his tablet and cellphone on the desk doing everything but learning journalism. I asked him if he ever did anything else and of course the answer was no. Still, I do wonder if there are kids who'd love to try something like this but have no idea it exists.
 
Great topic Mary. :)

One thing I would point out is that fantasy fictional figures are the 'gateway' figure for the youngsters, I believe that getting the younger demographic exposed to miniatures to the more colourful, flashy and subject they can relate to will lead them to the historical pieces later on in life. It's an evolving thing, the subject matter hook at the younger age needs to target their interest where they can relate to most, e.g. video games, pop culture icons, etc. Youngsters have no idea what a Gordon Highlander is, but sure know who Gordon Freeman is. ;)
 
Getting young people interested is certainly not a problem unique to historical mini painting. My dad is a Civil War buff and collects artifacts. The groups he is involved in have the exact same problem. Both are hobbies that require an interest in history, time and disposable income. All of which seem to increase with age (except for time... that seems to increase only with retirement).

I tend to be one of the younger modelers in the clubs and shows I attend (I’m 31), so I’m well aware of the disparity in ages. When it comes to getting new and young people into the hobby I see the issues as (and this is just my opinion)
1) Low Publicity: Most people not involved in this hobby (or related to someone who is) have very little idea that it even exists. In contrast think of building model planes, cars, etc. I think your average person is well aware of that hobby. We seem to be a smaller group with a much smaller profile. This may have something to do with…
2) Lack of Local Retailers: There are few local hobby shops that carry a decent selection of historical figures (if any at all). The only stores in my area that sell figures focus on war games and sci-fi/fantasy figures. However, it’s hard to blame the hobby shops. I doubt there’s enough business to stock a large selection. And I buy most of my figures online because it’s cheaper. Speaking of which…
3) Cost: These figures are designed to be display pieces and, as such, have a higher cost. There are some cheaper manufacturers, but I rarely see their stuff on sites like this. The higher quality figures give you better results. It’s almost impossible for historical figures to compete with wargaming figures if you’re trying to buy on a budget.
4) Required Skill: There is definitely a sharp learning curve to painting figures. Any artistic hobby can be intimidating and scare away the casual enthusiast. Unless you’re experienced in 2-D painting, odds are your first figure will look pretty bad. Considering the high cost of buying more figures you may just decide it’s not worth it.

That being said, I think there are some things we can do. As for cost and local retailers… I think we’re pretty much stuck. If you do have a club or group of painters, you may be able to convince your local hobby store to start carrying figures but I think that is an uphill battle. As for dealing with the learning curve, I think sites like this one do an excellent job at providing help and guidance to people just starting out (as well as those who’ve been in the hobby for years). I think the number of resources online is really beneficial to the hobby and I know it has helped improve the quality of my work. So Gordy and everyone who posts, comments, etc, keep up the good work!

I guess my advice on how we get more people into the hobby would be to
1) Convert people already in similar hobbies: I’m thinking war gamers, sci-fi/fantasy painters, and even plastic car, plane, tank, etc modelers. Because of the lower cost and local retailers like Games Workshop, most of the younger generation is going to start with war games figures. Combine that with an interest in history and you’ve got a future historical miniature painter. That was how I got my foot in the door. I’ve also been attending the local IPMS (International Plastic Modeler’s Society) meetings. I think this could be another potential market for figure painting. There are a lot of these groups around the US and they host a lot of shows. While their focus is planes, tanks, etc, the shows accept figure entries in several historical categories (based on scale) as well as sci-fi and fantasy. My local figure painting group is setting up a table at an IPMS show this weekend to do a little bit of recruiting. Keep an eye out for IPMS shows, enter your figures, and talk to people who seem interested. Go to their meetings. If people bring their work, take some figures.
2) Increase publicity: I think a lot of this can be done by clubs and modeler’s groups. Shows are great especially if you can draw some of the general public in. Most shows have a make-and-take table to introduce kids to the hobby. The NCMSS group puts together some display cases at local libraries. I imagine your local school would also be open to historical themed displays (especially if you include background research, artifact pictures, etc). Put in a little how to section and you might get one or two kids interested in trying it out themselves. One of the Virginia IPMS groups began working with an elementary school and did a year long diorama project with the kids there. In 2009 they built a 1:72 WWII diorama and in 2010 they made a 1:32 Civil War diorama. These sorts of things can make great educational projects. Going beyond schools, groups can partner with a variety of historical events to create relevant displays. The IPMS I go to is trying to get a spot to display their work at one of the events related to the War of 1812 bicentennial celebration. Throw in an ad for your meetings and you just might get a few curious people showing up at the next one.

Those are just a few of my ideas and suggestions. Sorry for the overly long post.
 
You'll never get local modelling shops to stock figures in the U.K. if you've got companies such as SK Miniatures,El Greco and Historex Agents which cover a vast range and usually your order is delivered in a couple of days.
Brian
 
Tend to agree with Brian on this. Difficult to get local shops to stock figures nowadays. Most local model shops have closed, or are about to close so dont think they will take on something else.
It has to clubs and shows, or the internet (PF) and some good local modellers to encourage others. Not an easy job, but I do believe members have to attract from the fantasy/ warhammer youth of today.
Take a trip to the GoldenDemon Awards to see hundeds if not thousands of kids all happily painting miniatures. In this respect I believe the trend of some manufacturers can only be a good thing.

Don
 
Tend to agree with Brian on this. Difficult to get local shops to stock figures nowadays. Most local model shops have closed, or are about to close so dont think they will take on something else.
It has to clubs and shows, or the internet (PF) and some good local modellers to encourage others. Not an easy job, but I do believe members have to attract from the fantasy/ warhammer youth of today.
Take a trip to the GoldenDemon Awards to see hundeds if not thousands of kids all happily painting miniatures. In this respect I believe the trend of some manufacturers can only be a good thing.

Don

ReaperCon (US) like the GoldenDemon is full of youth, I've heard more than once the mini's crowd takes offense to the "fantasy" categories in historical show's. This is a barrier that needs overcoming and the term "fantasy" is a pejorative to fictional figurists and rightly so, in my opinion.
 
All of the thoughts presented so far are true to our hobby... saddly.
I have a 19 year old son, so have a window into the youth of today. Luckily, my boy is very athletic... but couldn't sit still long enough to paint right now. However, the disipline he shows in training for sports is the same needed to practice painting. Maybe as he gets older and less active in sports, he may redirect that disipline into something more cerebral (he does find history interesting and tried painting when he was too young to really get into it). That being said, observing others of his age I find self disipline almost nonexistant... as Steve and Mary stated, they'd rather be 'plugged in' and spoonfed than learn or create.

The other thing we haven't touched on yet is the "Nerd Factor". As adults, we don't care what other people think about we do but teens certainly do. All it takes is one idiot to tell a kid something is uncool or geeky and they will drop it like it was on fire. I was guilty of this myself as a teen... I started modelling and painting at around 10 or 11 years old but at 15 or so but all it took was a raised eyebrow from a hockey buddy, or worse a girl, for me to pack up my paints for almost 20 years.

For younger people to get involved, the image of our hobby will have to become more appealling to compete with technology, sports and of course the opposite sex!

Hopefully...

Colin
 
I recently talked with the owner of the Hobbytown 3 blocks from my house about stocking just a few historical kits and bases just to "try" it out. I was told there was no interest in it and he said his money was better spent on Games workshop or PP mini's. He then showed me his collection of Tamiya 1/35th figure kits marked bown 70% off because they have sat on his shelf for over a year with zero interest. His biggest problem is keeping space marines in stock. I guess I shoulda taken stock in GW!!
 
I think making our hobby more inclusive is a great idea. The Fantasy/Fictional painters are a natural fit. There are some wonderful painters and modelers in that category of folks. I have attended a couple Reaper Cons and that group is very inclusive and they have added Historical painters to their show. This effort is being led by Doug Cohen and Anne Forrester. Both super nice folks. I also think that the AMPS/IPMS route is a great idea. A friend of mine told me this past weekend that a historical vignette took “Best of Show” in San Antonio/Austin. That’s pretty good acceptance by the IPMS/AMPS crowd. In the Dallas Area, one local clubs talked the local library into allowing them to display figure for a month or so. I think this is the second or third year in a row. Believe it or not kids still go to the library!

As someone said earlier this hobby takes time and money. As we get older we have more of both (hopefully). The younger kids have lots of time but not money. I have thought I may talk to my son’s Boy Scout Troop and sponsor a painting weekend. I’d give them a figure and the paint. Let them get hooked that way.
 
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