Martin Antonenko
A Fixture
- Joined
- Jul 11, 2008
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Dear Planeteers,
The following text was published on the “TimeLines Forum” by “Grey” (Sry, don't know his real name!) today. I get it from a friend in German and re-translated it into English (and I hope, I did it right. You can also read the English written original on "TimeLines Forum")...:
“Here's something I'm forced to talk about in public, so please take the time to read it all. It is important to me and relates to the future of TimeLines.
There's a guy at PlanetFigure who has mined TimeLines for news, almost every day for at least a year. He does not contribute differently here. He simply visits here twice a day to see if there's any interesting news I've unearthed for TimeLines members so that he can publish them on his own name on planetFigure without ever giving me or TimeLines the source of the news , His name is Martin Rohmann and I had no choice but to lock him from this page. That did not stop him. He stole another message yesterday and is likely to continue stealing from here until he is publicly ashamed and has to stop, either through the negative feedback he receives for this dishonest and sociopathic behavior, or through the new owners of planetFigure.
I wrote a longer explanation why the problem for me and TimeLines is for this thread:
Please click on this link and read the whole thing.”
Here’s the full text – sorry, it’s very long…:
“As most regulars can see here, I try to find 3 unique and interesting news for TimeLines every day. It benefits the manufacturers, and that benefits the readers of my website. It gives readers a reason to visit, and that in turn helps to spread the word that TimeLines is back.
However, it is often troublesome to find 3 unique messages every day. I spend 1.5 to 2.5 hours a day looking for news. On some days I can find news fast enough, on other days it is a real fight. There are about a dozen and a half other pages I visit to start with. These are merchant sites, AFV news sites, 28mm / 32mm mini sites, Facebook groups, Russian sculptor forums, and online magazines. None of them are good single sources for anything new, but I occasionally get a hint for something new when I visit these pages. I get about 40% of my messages this way and it probably takes about 30-45 minutes a day just to work through these pages. The news I find there is news from manufacturers or retailers. In fact, Armorama is the only page where I find news from moderators / members who are really spending time searching through them. Sometimes I get to know new figures or manufacturers on a scale of 1:35. Therefore, I occasionally mention that I found a message there so that TimeLines readers know that they may come there from time to time. Here is an example of how easy it is to rate another website:
http://www.timelinesforum.com/forums...ad.php?t=19225
I do it for sites other than Armorama, but I used them as an example. (Note - I never get news from planetFigure.) In fact, if I already know news and then I see it on planet figures and it's not from one of the big manufacturers, I'll deliberately keep the news for a few days or longer can not help TimeLines have the same messages on the same day as planetFigure, otherwise there would be little reason to visit both pages every day, including why someone who copies messages from here to there will hurt TimeLines, but more on that later .)
On most days it is not enough to visit these one and a half pages. I still need to find additional news on the difficult road that requires me to go through TimeLines' list of manufacturers until I find three new messages. That's where most of the time and effort goes. It is laborious and sometimes takes longer than a few hours. These special messages are not summarized on any other page until I find them and post them here. There is no shortcut. You have to invest time to find them and outside of me, nobody else in this niche of hobbies actually does that. Then, when someone sees a message posted here, and wants to share it on other sites from time to time, I agree. If you want to credit TimeLines as a source, even better. However, I can not allow anyone to systematically mine messages from here every day for posting on another website without acknowledging TimeLines as a source. That's theft. When someone steals LITERAL HUNDRED NEWS POSTING PRO YEAR, they not only undermine my efforts to bring TimeLines back to their old daily viewing figures, but they also steal the fruits of my time and work !! I can not let that happen, and in the case of Martin Rohmann at PlanetFigure I will not let that happen. The hard work is finding these strange news. If I need 2 hours to find 3, it only takes someone to visit this page for 1 minute to see what the news is and to follow the links I need to make their own formatting. The hard work, however, is to initially find and summarize these messages. Copying and adding larger images and the names of boxart painters can be done by a trained chimpanzee after I've done the hard work already.
He's been doing that for at least a year. When I realized it was happening, I started watching this site. Like a clockwork, he would go here and start copying any messages that had not yet been posted to planetFigure, either while he was still logged in or within minutes of leaving this page. He never ever credited TimeLines in all those hundreds of postings he made, nor did he post any messages he did not find here (except for one or two exceptions that prove the rule). In any case, he acted as if he had done the hard work of finding the news himself, even if he copied literally text copies of this page that came from me, or if he had graphics directly from this page for which I created had, picked up the TimeLines news articles. It's really pretty shameless what he did. Honestly, he could find a lot of the news if he wanted to, but that would force him to do what I do, and that's 12 to 15 hours a week, exhaustively looking for it. He's obviously too lazy for that and would rather steal from here and pass it on as his own. Even then, some of the news he would never find because some it needs really deep tracking on Facebook or Google Times if I've found a seductive nugget about, or a photo of a number I've not seen before. Have you ever wondered why just a few hours after I found some unique news about a manufacturer, hardly anyone heard of it and posted it here that it would appear on PlanetFigure under Martin's name? Well, now you know why.
After many months of monitoring this activity, I finally informed him and told him that he either had to stop or occasionally credit this page (in the simple and unobtrusive way demonstrated above, as I did at Armorama, et .al.) if he still wants to copy messages from this page.
Without having credited this site, there is no doubt that many people on PlanetFigure do not know that TimeLines is back and updated regularly. I naively assumed that he would apologize and agree that this was the right thing and everything would look good. Because I had never said anything to him before, he probably assumed that I agreed with what he did, and I understood that explanation well. So I sent him a PM in which I explained my concerns. I was surprised by his answer. Not only did he deny that he had ever heard news from here, he was both unresponsive to his behavior and to my own efforts here at TimeLines. I answered with only a small sample of the proof I have, which is obvious to anyone who has looked at both sides, and has repeated my requirements. He did not answer and after a day or two picked up news from here to there. That was a week or so ago. He left me no choice but to ban him. He has found another way to access the site and continue to steal it, so I feel like I have no choice but to make it public.
I want him to stop visiting this site and to search for news himself. Maybe then he will only appreciate how much time and effort is spent on it and why it bothers me that the results of my own time and effort will be taken without permission or credit to take advantage of another site and hurt this site. In fact, I think that's actually his intention. His refusal to admit what he does or attribute to this site can only be explained in the context where he does not want anyone visiting planetFigure to have any reason to visit this site. Why else steal our messages every day instead of just letting them know, asking TimeLines for more news? We have lost in the 3 years or so many viewers. Some have gone to Facebook. Some left for planetFigure. Others just disappeared. There is not much activity in the area these days and all I can do is add a unique value here to bring it back. That's why I've tried to find and publish interesting and unique news. I do not want these messages being stolen for other sites, as this will lead to my disillusionment with continuing my efforts. If I hope to recover from the economic disaster of recent years, TimeLines must be a place that people want to visit every day.
I assume that the people who run planetFigure do not know this problem. This is not TimeLines vs PlanetFigure. It's all about what Martin Rohmann does on her behalf. I do not know who owns or operates the planet now, nor would I somehow point it out to my concerns, but perhaps someone who sees this will inform them and they will take steps to improve the situation. I have no problem using the messages I find, as long as they are occasionally counted on TimeLines, so that their readers know we are still there and 2) that they are trying to not reflect our 2 newsfeeds one by one Keep some messages for a day or two until they are removed from the TimeLines homepage. They would not even have to say anything about the news of the big and well-known manufacturers who get them from here. You could just mention TimeLines as a source only for the really quirky or lesser-known companies whose news I find here and post, and I agree with that. It's a very low hurdle to clear. What I do not like is that somebody takes whatever they want and refuses to call their source this page.”
I would just like to reply briefly:
If he asked my wife, she would answer, "Far too much!" ;-)
(Now it is here 2:53 at night)
I inform you here about novelties, because I work in this forum for years and feel good here.
That's why I do not want to hurt you! And "Grey" apparently seems to think that I "steal" from him on behalf of planetfigure to harm his forum. That's nonsense, of course!
In the "TimeLines Forum" many novelty items have already been announced that were shown here days before - by me and others.
I would never have come up with the idea of imputing to the operator of the other forum that he had "stolen" them here or he is doing this to harm this forum!
I worked there years ago and also showed my stuff, but the reactions were so few and so meager that I left it after some time.
I have posted here this night two new figures, which will come to the market by "Elan 13" soon. I found them on FB!
Maybe that the same novelties were yesterday or are today or tomorrow also on "TimeLines" (I can't see this for I am locked there). If it is so I ask: Who "steals" from whom?
But anyway!
Please read the text of "Grey" again exactly - and then decide: Should I continue to inform you about new figures? Yes or no?
If you say "yes", I will continue - no matter what "Grey" assumes. If you say “no”, because all the effort is not worth the trouble - it's even good to me.
Thanks for your patience!
Cheers
The following text was published on the “TimeLines Forum” by “Grey” (Sry, don't know his real name!) today. I get it from a friend in German and re-translated it into English (and I hope, I did it right. You can also read the English written original on "TimeLines Forum")...:
“Here's something I'm forced to talk about in public, so please take the time to read it all. It is important to me and relates to the future of TimeLines.
There's a guy at PlanetFigure who has mined TimeLines for news, almost every day for at least a year. He does not contribute differently here. He simply visits here twice a day to see if there's any interesting news I've unearthed for TimeLines members so that he can publish them on his own name on planetFigure without ever giving me or TimeLines the source of the news , His name is Martin Rohmann and I had no choice but to lock him from this page. That did not stop him. He stole another message yesterday and is likely to continue stealing from here until he is publicly ashamed and has to stop, either through the negative feedback he receives for this dishonest and sociopathic behavior, or through the new owners of planetFigure.
I wrote a longer explanation why the problem for me and TimeLines is for this thread:
Please click on this link and read the whole thing.”
Here’s the full text – sorry, it’s very long…:
“As most regulars can see here, I try to find 3 unique and interesting news for TimeLines every day. It benefits the manufacturers, and that benefits the readers of my website. It gives readers a reason to visit, and that in turn helps to spread the word that TimeLines is back.
However, it is often troublesome to find 3 unique messages every day. I spend 1.5 to 2.5 hours a day looking for news. On some days I can find news fast enough, on other days it is a real fight. There are about a dozen and a half other pages I visit to start with. These are merchant sites, AFV news sites, 28mm / 32mm mini sites, Facebook groups, Russian sculptor forums, and online magazines. None of them are good single sources for anything new, but I occasionally get a hint for something new when I visit these pages. I get about 40% of my messages this way and it probably takes about 30-45 minutes a day just to work through these pages. The news I find there is news from manufacturers or retailers. In fact, Armorama is the only page where I find news from moderators / members who are really spending time searching through them. Sometimes I get to know new figures or manufacturers on a scale of 1:35. Therefore, I occasionally mention that I found a message there so that TimeLines readers know that they may come there from time to time. Here is an example of how easy it is to rate another website:
http://www.timelinesforum.com/forums...ad.php?t=19225
I do it for sites other than Armorama, but I used them as an example. (Note - I never get news from planetFigure.) In fact, if I already know news and then I see it on planet figures and it's not from one of the big manufacturers, I'll deliberately keep the news for a few days or longer can not help TimeLines have the same messages on the same day as planetFigure, otherwise there would be little reason to visit both pages every day, including why someone who copies messages from here to there will hurt TimeLines, but more on that later .)
On most days it is not enough to visit these one and a half pages. I still need to find additional news on the difficult road that requires me to go through TimeLines' list of manufacturers until I find three new messages. That's where most of the time and effort goes. It is laborious and sometimes takes longer than a few hours. These special messages are not summarized on any other page until I find them and post them here. There is no shortcut. You have to invest time to find them and outside of me, nobody else in this niche of hobbies actually does that. Then, when someone sees a message posted here, and wants to share it on other sites from time to time, I agree. If you want to credit TimeLines as a source, even better. However, I can not allow anyone to systematically mine messages from here every day for posting on another website without acknowledging TimeLines as a source. That's theft. When someone steals LITERAL HUNDRED NEWS POSTING PRO YEAR, they not only undermine my efforts to bring TimeLines back to their old daily viewing figures, but they also steal the fruits of my time and work !! I can not let that happen, and in the case of Martin Rohmann at PlanetFigure I will not let that happen. The hard work is finding these strange news. If I need 2 hours to find 3, it only takes someone to visit this page for 1 minute to see what the news is and to follow the links I need to make their own formatting. The hard work, however, is to initially find and summarize these messages. Copying and adding larger images and the names of boxart painters can be done by a trained chimpanzee after I've done the hard work already.
He's been doing that for at least a year. When I realized it was happening, I started watching this site. Like a clockwork, he would go here and start copying any messages that had not yet been posted to planetFigure, either while he was still logged in or within minutes of leaving this page. He never ever credited TimeLines in all those hundreds of postings he made, nor did he post any messages he did not find here (except for one or two exceptions that prove the rule). In any case, he acted as if he had done the hard work of finding the news himself, even if he copied literally text copies of this page that came from me, or if he had graphics directly from this page for which I created had, picked up the TimeLines news articles. It's really pretty shameless what he did. Honestly, he could find a lot of the news if he wanted to, but that would force him to do what I do, and that's 12 to 15 hours a week, exhaustively looking for it. He's obviously too lazy for that and would rather steal from here and pass it on as his own. Even then, some of the news he would never find because some it needs really deep tracking on Facebook or Google Times if I've found a seductive nugget about, or a photo of a number I've not seen before. Have you ever wondered why just a few hours after I found some unique news about a manufacturer, hardly anyone heard of it and posted it here that it would appear on PlanetFigure under Martin's name? Well, now you know why.
After many months of monitoring this activity, I finally informed him and told him that he either had to stop or occasionally credit this page (in the simple and unobtrusive way demonstrated above, as I did at Armorama, et .al.) if he still wants to copy messages from this page.
Without having credited this site, there is no doubt that many people on PlanetFigure do not know that TimeLines is back and updated regularly. I naively assumed that he would apologize and agree that this was the right thing and everything would look good. Because I had never said anything to him before, he probably assumed that I agreed with what he did, and I understood that explanation well. So I sent him a PM in which I explained my concerns. I was surprised by his answer. Not only did he deny that he had ever heard news from here, he was both unresponsive to his behavior and to my own efforts here at TimeLines. I answered with only a small sample of the proof I have, which is obvious to anyone who has looked at both sides, and has repeated my requirements. He did not answer and after a day or two picked up news from here to there. That was a week or so ago. He left me no choice but to ban him. He has found another way to access the site and continue to steal it, so I feel like I have no choice but to make it public.
I want him to stop visiting this site and to search for news himself. Maybe then he will only appreciate how much time and effort is spent on it and why it bothers me that the results of my own time and effort will be taken without permission or credit to take advantage of another site and hurt this site. In fact, I think that's actually his intention. His refusal to admit what he does or attribute to this site can only be explained in the context where he does not want anyone visiting planetFigure to have any reason to visit this site. Why else steal our messages every day instead of just letting them know, asking TimeLines for more news? We have lost in the 3 years or so many viewers. Some have gone to Facebook. Some left for planetFigure. Others just disappeared. There is not much activity in the area these days and all I can do is add a unique value here to bring it back. That's why I've tried to find and publish interesting and unique news. I do not want these messages being stolen for other sites, as this will lead to my disillusionment with continuing my efforts. If I hope to recover from the economic disaster of recent years, TimeLines must be a place that people want to visit every day.
I assume that the people who run planetFigure do not know this problem. This is not TimeLines vs PlanetFigure. It's all about what Martin Rohmann does on her behalf. I do not know who owns or operates the planet now, nor would I somehow point it out to my concerns, but perhaps someone who sees this will inform them and they will take steps to improve the situation. I have no problem using the messages I find, as long as they are occasionally counted on TimeLines, so that their readers know we are still there and 2) that they are trying to not reflect our 2 newsfeeds one by one Keep some messages for a day or two until they are removed from the TimeLines homepage. They would not even have to say anything about the news of the big and well-known manufacturers who get them from here. You could just mention TimeLines as a source only for the really quirky or lesser-known companies whose news I find here and post, and I agree with that. It's a very low hurdle to clear. What I do not like is that somebody takes whatever they want and refuses to call their source this page.”
I would just like to reply briefly:
- I am not acting in any "mission", certainly not on behalf of planetfigure!
- I have not the slightest advantage of publishing news here - certainly no economic one!
- My sources for novelties are an Italian forum, a German forum - and of course the "Time Lines Forum", as well as two Russian forums.
In addition, today almost every publisher of characters has a "Facebook account" - these accounts I regularly see through, especially the Russian, because I am particularly interested in the local topics.
I also get newsletters from several manufacturers (or wholesalers). - In any case, I publish the source of the message - and this is the respective pruducer of the novelty.
- The number of newly created figures is limited - so if one day in several publications the same novelties appear in various forums, this does not necessarily have anything to do with "theft".
- The photos that I show here of new figures are not from the "TimeLines Forum" but from the sources I mentioned! At "Time Lines" they are much too small!
- My information here is much more comprehensive than the one that "Grey" publishes in its forum! Without a real source, that would be impossible!
Anyone who compares the information here and there can convince themselves of this. - Basically, I believe that informations about new figures belongs first of all to the manufacturers and not to the operator of a single forum! The novelty information should be made available to so many figure friends as soon as possible, so I'm Publishing them here.
If he asked my wife, she would answer, "Far too much!" ;-)
(Now it is here 2:53 at night)
I inform you here about novelties, because I work in this forum for years and feel good here.
That's why I do not want to hurt you! And "Grey" apparently seems to think that I "steal" from him on behalf of planetfigure to harm his forum. That's nonsense, of course!
In the "TimeLines Forum" many novelty items have already been announced that were shown here days before - by me and others.
I would never have come up with the idea of imputing to the operator of the other forum that he had "stolen" them here or he is doing this to harm this forum!
I worked there years ago and also showed my stuff, but the reactions were so few and so meager that I left it after some time.
I have posted here this night two new figures, which will come to the market by "Elan 13" soon. I found them on FB!
Maybe that the same novelties were yesterday or are today or tomorrow also on "TimeLines" (I can't see this for I am locked there). If it is so I ask: Who "steals" from whom?
But anyway!
Please read the text of "Grey" again exactly - and then decide: Should I continue to inform you about new figures? Yes or no?
If you say "yes", I will continue - no matter what "Grey" assumes. If you say “no”, because all the effort is not worth the trouble - it's even good to me.
Thanks for your patience!
Cheers
