Info desired RE: Verlinden "Knights at War" figs

[JasonB]

Can someone illuminate me on the era/forces that this set represents?

I know with Verlinden the historical accuracy can be a bit suspect, but just the era and what style of armor these guys could represent would be helpful. I would bet that this is from an illustration from one of the Osprey books but I've had no luck in finding it.

 

[Martin64]

Far from being an expert I am interested in the Medieval period and the outfit of the fighting men.
The knight on the ground seems to wear a Gambesson over his chain mail. This was introduced around 1200 to protect the chain mail against rain and the fighter against heat in the sun (Mediterrainean conditions). His helmet could be around 1200 but as well up to 200 years earlier. His opponent seems to be clad in Italian style armor covered by a Gambeson and going by his Barbuta could be dated about 1400.
So parts of their equipment cover a period of about 200 years.
The coat of arms is very generic on the shield of the "winner" and therefore IMHO no indication of the period or setting of this scene.
Beside many other books I recommend the books by Liliane and Fred Funcken about Armour and weapons in the Medieval period.

Inspiration for at least one of them might have been drawn from the Osprey Picture attached to this post.

Cheers, Martin

 

[JasonB]

Thanks Martin
No doubt that's the inspiration for the one knight. I just didn't want to replicate the box art to find out they are from the same side, as is the case for a couple of Verlinden sets where French knights are fighting French knights at Agincourt. I thought the winners heraldry might represent Flanders. Not real fond of it, but I don't want to paint something on him that's totally inappropriate.

 

[Mirofsoft]

1328 period of the battle of Kassel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cassel_(1328)

 

[David Spencer]

I agree that this looks like early C14.
Mirofsoft's link helps: maybe have a look at the Kassel info and see who was there, then look at coats of arms of those involved?
Getting the heraldry right can be challenging!
Given the possible disparity between helmets, could this be further south, perhaps Spain...?
Best of luck. It'd be an interesting project.

 

[JasonB]

Hey hey, a little more research and discovered that Youngs bust is just about the same armor:

 

[MCPWilk]

It's worth remembering that all arms and armour of the time was literally manufactured (Latin manu = by hand, factum = made), so only the wealthiest would have the latest, hearth knights, men-at-arms may well have weapons and armour handed down the generations.

Mike