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Kisifer

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Hello all fellow figurerers.

With this post i'm refering to all the members here who use an airbrush while painting a figure. I'm thinking to purchace one for myself, but i have absolutely no idea what to get what other accessories are needed etc. I know that i need a compressor too, but other than that nothing. Also i would like to ask what are the main uses of an airbrush on a figure. I'm sure priming, but i don't know if anything else can be done.
Please give as many hints and tips you may know, since i'm sure that are more members here that they would be interested in airbrushing.
Thanks a lot in advance.

Xenofon
 
Hi Xenofon

This may be a touchy subject for some. I beleive you should purchase the best quality airbrush you can afford, yes you are right in the respect of using it for priming a figure, but it can be used in a lot more ways; for painting horses, it can be very effective and produce brilliant results; painting base colours on uniforms on larger scale figures, using it to give lights and darks on folds; with using masking, creating light to dark effect on jackets and trousers. But one thing you should realy do, is always try things out first on an old figure that you know you can strip at a later date...

The possibilities are endless as your skill increases, practise is the main issue here. Never think after the first time of trying an airbrush that you will never know how to use it properly, each person uses one differently. Airbrushes today are capable of using all the paint mediums that are used today in the figure painting world.

Aztec Airbrushes are the newest style on the market and are very good for the price, (approx £75 - £200) they have an advantage of not using needles, but have interchangable nozzels.

Bager Airbrushes are very versatile and they have been producing airbrushes for many, many years now and they have a very large selection with a very large price range (£30 - £200)

I personally use an old Aerograph 63 from DeVillebiss

There is of course another aspect to think about later on and that is single or double action:-

Single Action - controling the airflow and the paint is either drawn through the airbrush at a single pace via gravity(paint cup on top) feed or suction feed (paint bottle on underside)

Dual Action - which gives the ability to control the airflow and the amount of paint, thus better control and better final results.

on the compressor side of things you should again purchase the best you can afford, but make sure it has a resovoire, as this gives a constant flow of air to the airbrush.

All in all, using an airbrush is down to practise, with practise the results will come...

Have fun

Dave
 
I completely agree with all that Dave said. I'll just add a couple of things.

Uses- add grondwork to the list. Both on the ground and on the figure. You can really get some very subtle effects that would take hours with a brush.

Clean up- Just like any expensive brush (Series 7 being my choice), it's only as good as you maintain it. We clean our brushes regularly and every so often, clean the living heck out of them. An airbrush is the same way. Just let some paint dry in the nozzle and watch how much fun you have cleaning it out then ;) :lol: .

As far as good reading material (both how to's and reviews), look for some issues of Fine Scale Modeler. They also have some very good books out there that explain the finer details of an airbrush far better than I can. You can also visit their site for articles and such. You have to register but that's free. Just click here.

As far as a first airbrush goes, I think you'd be better served with an Aztec. They really aren't bad airbrushes (yes, there are better more expensive ones) and will do just fine for your needs.

Let us know what you decide,
Jim Patrick
 
Hey Xenofon
Airbrushes, my favourite topic, I have 1 Badger, 4 Pasches and have tried the Iwata. Iwata is the best if your willing to spend the money, a Badger 150 with extra fine needles and head will do anything you need for figures. Don't bother with anything but a double action. I stripped down my badger so I can control the needle from the end as well as the trigger, with thin paint you can paint anything on a 120mm figure and most of the details on a 54mm.
Having said that the airbrush is useless without a good compressor, at minimum you need a pressure regulator thats good from 0-60 psi, a moisture trap helps and I found the few extra hundred bucks for a silent one was worth the expense.
With this setup I paint everything in enamels and only use the oils for extra fine detail or to get some extra depth in certain colors. Here is a hornet 1/35 figure that was airbrushed, the only brush work was his eyes. Oh, and Jim was dead on with the uses for groundwork, I have one brush in my groundwork tools and thats for glue!
Good Luck!
Mark
 

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Xenofon,

Cant say much more than what has been said, but besides priming and doing large scale figures, I totally agree with Jim. Groundwork looks a lot better and more subtle with an airbrush. I have a Pasche H and an Iwata Hp-b. I definitely prefer the Iwata. I love the dual action and gravity feed. With the gravity feed, I can get my air pressure down to about 7 psi for ultimate control and fine lines.

Brad Spelts
 
First of all i would like to thank you all for your help and support. I'm close to get the Testors Aztek A470 airbrush. What do you think of it as a first airbrush for priming,dullcoating and groundwork painting?
As long as for a comporessor i have some tips to get a decent one. Thanks again.
 
Originally posted by Kisifer+Jun 20 2005, 07:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Kisifer @ Jun 20 2005, 07:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>...i have absolutely no idea what to get what other accessories are needed etc. I know that i need a compressor too, but other than that nothing. [/b]

That's about it but if you're painting indoors a spray booth is a very good idea, it's vital if you'll be using any solvent-based paints but we should be careful about the dust generated from any paint as many pigments are toxic when inhaled.

As far as compressors go you should aim for the following features:
moisture trap (helps prevent spits from water condensed out of the air);
air tank (evens up the air flow and reduces wear on the compressor);
pressure regulator;
quiet operation.

Originally posted by Kisifer@Jun 21 2005, 07:24 AM
I'm close to get the Testors Aztek A470 airbrush. What do you think of it as a first airbrush for priming,dullcoating and groundwork painting?
These are great little airbrushes: lightweight, cheap, reliable, easy to clean (this is really important if you don't want to spend more time cleaning than painting believe me!) and with ambidextrous rotating colour cups so you can spray at any angle, which is actually a very under-publicised feature.

These are the kinds of prices you want to pay:
http://www.bearair.com/products.asp?dept=1088
http://www.hobbypeople.net/gallery/522350.asp

Azteks don't allow you to spray the finest of lines, you need a speciality airbrush for this (one of the all-metal types) but as a general workhorse they're great.

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Also i would like to ask what are the main uses of an airbrush on a figure. I'm sure priming, but i don't know if anything else can be done. [/quote]
I prime from a spraycan, what I mostly use my airbrush for is establishing shading of the overhead/zenithal type.

For example - spray the midtone, then spray shadows from below and highlights from above and you've got most of the lighting effect created for you automatically. The basic work on both of these was done this way so you can see that scale is not a big issue:

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After the spraying you really need to go in with brushes to pick out details and refine highlights and shadows that the spraying didn't catch quite right (vertical creases for example) but it takes a lot of the drudgery out of the initial shading - fifteen minutes v. more than an hour to get to a fairly advanced stage.

Einion
 
Kisifer,

I have the A470 boxed set as an allround modeling airbrush and am very satisfied with it. Fast colour and nozzle changing is what I like it for.
I'm using only acrylic colours with it though and haven't tried shading a figure yet.

This is also a good one if, like me, you build the occasional plastic kit.

For ultra fine work you might need something more high end however, I have a old Badger with a fine needle but I heard that Iwatas are so much better.

BTW, last year at Ingolstadt I saw Philippe Parisson using a Grafo airbrush to delicately airbrush a 54mm figure. Very impressive to say the least.
 
I use my airbrush quite often, but Im a heretic as I build, tanks, science-fiction, planes and cars as well and in that order.

I use an Evolution from Harder Steinbeck which also makes the Hansa.
It comes with two needles and Nozzles. 0,4 and 0,2. Ive also bought an 015 needle and this set up should satisfy the most.

Cleaning up is average, one trick is to never remove the needle backwards but loosen the nozzle and remove it through the front.

My first was a Badger Crescendo, which was good as beginners airbrush and easy to clean. As its bottomfeed it takes a higher working pressure than a gravity feed.

Also the compressor is usually more expensive than the airbrush and it is a must. Dont believe that you can use the cans with compressed air. Its just a waste of money and you dont experiment with the airbrush enough to learn. Some want a compressor to be silent while others not, some want to use it for other things and some just to airbrush with.

I bought a little bigger and noiser as I have no problems with that. It has a tank that loads and then you can usually have one session without reloding it which only takes about 30-60 seconds anywat. In addtion I can use this compressor for other airdriven tools.

Hope this helps.
 
Einion -

If you are ever looking for a project here, I for one would really appreciate a SBS on your airbrush technique mentioned above. I have heard others mention this technique before, and it seems to speed up and simplify painting time - which I am always interested in doing. But, I have tired it and can't seem to figure out how to make it work without creataing MORE work for myself. Can you recommend any books or articles on the subject?

Thanks.
 
Hi All-
Let me echo Pat's call for a SBS. I have an old Badger airbrush that I hardly use and have never purchased a compressor. :( I'd love to learn how to get more out of this under utilized tool!
Matt
 
Originally posted by PJ Deluhery+Jun 22 2005, 05:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PJ Deluhery @ Jun 22 2005, 05:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Can you recommend any books or articles on the subject?
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Other than my two or three articles in Mil Mod (sorry, don't have the numbers here) not really and I didn't take pics of the process.

There are various articles online on spraying models, most of the figure-related ones are for garage kits (like here) but they don't paint quite like we do most of the time because of the scale. I picked up this specific technique reading a written description - very brief - of how Mike Good tackled an old Verlinden figure about 11 years ago (belated thanks Mike!) this one in fact:

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and just played around with it. I think this was the first model I did with it, in '94, but it might have been second after Poste Mil's Pawnee bust which is another ideal spraying project, being mostly one colour.

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The actual spraying is really straightforward*, it's the masking and cleaning up that's most of the work, plus cleaning the airbrush of course, but it's worth it and you get used to it like most things (plus with an Aztek you can leave all the dirty parts soaking and do it later!). Getting the hand-painted work to blend seamlessly with the sprayed effect, that's where it gets difficult. This is actually a good training aid for careful brushwork as you just can't get away with being a little sloppy or it's immediately obvious.

*It really is about as simple as I described above, I think one reason it's not publicised by the big names that also do the basic shading this way (you know who you are guys! :lol:) is that it's so simple you almost feel like you're cheating. You just need to imagine the paint being light and spray accordingly - moving the airbrush around so you're spraying from a general overhead direction, mimicking the diffuse lighting we usually depict in the hobby (if you want something more directional spray accordingly). Sometimes, depending on how the piece is sculpted, I spray only from above, so I basecoat in the middle shadow, then spray midtone, medium highlight and then highlight, before laying in the deep shadows by hand and adding the final highlights.

Masking is a big issue with this sort of approach, no getting around it and there are a host of ways of doing it. I use a liquid latex (I use W&N's) for detailed edges and complex shapes (I've also used Blu-Tack in a pinch) and I used to use it for almost everything else too - since it usually goes off in the bottle long before being finished it wasn't being wasted. But now I use Parafilm M for larger areas as it's safer and much faster to apply and remove, with a bit of plastic food wrap for larger areas. For some kinds of masking Tamiya's yellow masking tape is supposed to rock, I've tried other alternatives and nothing seems to be as safe to use and not risk pulling paint off but the type of paint you're spraying will be a factor so test different things for yourself. Even common electrical tape is pretty good if you just reduce the tack a bit, over paints other than the type of acrylics I use it should work even better. One thing I should mention here is you must have a proper undercoat doing this with anything other than Parafilm (virtually zero tack) as otherwise you'll lift paint guaranteed.

This is where I bought my lifetime supply of Parafilm M: Pollardwater if anyone wants to try it. You may be able to find it for less elsewhere now, that was the cheapest I could find at the time.

Einion
 
Einion -

I think I first heard of this technique from the garage kit folks, but my results were not very good.

Maybe what you are suggesting is that I just need to work with it a little more and play around a bit.

Thanks for the tips. I'd still ask you to keep my suggestion in mind if the mood ever strikes you to do an SBS.
 
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