Katinka Simonse who is this monster?

[pmfs]

Hi!
**CONTROVERSIAL POST**
This sick person cripple and kill animals for art. This is not art, it's mass murder!!! But who likes it?
The world today is a strange place, the values ​​are subverted, this is an attack on my humanity.
I hope this mentally ill do not continue with impunity and be judged for their crimes againts helpless animals...

Pedro.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/28/dearest_tinkebell/

 

[Mirofsoft]

Yes, I understand, it's at least stupid to do things like that
They search to be known, to build a name by doing shocking things and generate lot of fuzz arround it
The best thing to do is : ignore them

 

[pmfs]

Yes, I understand, it's at least stupid to do things like that
They search to be known, to build a name by doing shocking things and generate lot of fuzz arround it
The best thing to do is : ignore them

This should not be ignored, at least by the authorities ...

 

[DEL]

This should not be ignored, at least by the authorities ...

Fair point Pedro the authorities should take action and press for the maximum punishment available for the offence.
These people seek the 'oxygen' of notoriety and thrive on the criticism of others. What destroys them is when they are ignored.

 

[Ferris]

You think the cat bag is weird?

Look at this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ns-dead-pet-flying-helicopter-killed-car.html

The Dutch really like cats!

Then on a serious note: the lady artist did not kill the cat she used for the bag. It was her own, was terminally ill and was put to sleep by a vet. Point of her work is to highlight our ambiguous morale about animals: we routinely kill them by the millions for chicken nuggets, burgers and shoes, but see moral issues when it happens to cuddly animals like cats and cubs.
She was once in court for another provocative work involving animals, and was acquitted, so no legal lines were crossed.

I'm curious as to why does no one here raises the topic of the more than one hundred thousand anonimous hate mails, including threats to her life, she received for the cat bag? If there is anything that should be brought to authorities, it is those.
I must confess I sympathise with her effort to name and shame those people, and to risk litigation for it. But I like to go against the grain, must be my Dutch roots.

Adrian

 

[ChaosCossack]

I showed this to my cat, Shooter... He was NOT impressed. Said something about making a suitcase out of her hide.

There is really something wrong with some people.

 

[DEL]

If she sees an ambiguity in peoples attitude towards exploitation of animals then her 'art' is part of the problem and not the solution.
It's exploitative in that it justifies itself by stating that it highlights a moral issue. The use of animal products is a moral issue but it's insulting to assume that people need 'help' to formulate their own opinion on the matter.
I'm very far from being vegetarian but I do try hard to ensure the meat I eat has been raised in the best possible conditions and slaughtered as humanely as possible.
As to her being acquitted on a previous charge relating to her exploitation of animals, that might just mean that the legislation simply didn't exist to cover the offence with which she was charged. Or like in Scotland a person can have a case found Not Proven rather than guilty or innocent, possibly something similar exists in the Netherlands
I do agree that anonymous hate mail is reprehensible and similarly persons where identifiable should be legally pursued.

 

[ChaosCossack]

I think both sides are off side.
I don't know if she killed the cat to make the purse (Cruel) or if the cat died and then she did this "art" (which is distasteful and insensitive) either way, I don't see the art in it.
Those who made violent threats, anonymous or not, are wrong as well. In Canada, uttering death threats is as much of an assualt as a punch in the face. Depending on the severity of the threat, it can even be concidered attempted murder. If you don't like what someone is doing, there are more effective ways of dealing with them that might actually get results.

I eat meat (happily), wear leather and even have a coat with a fur lining... this is how humans have lived fo r 1000's of years. I don't get involved in the politics of vegetarianism... To each his own. But cruelty, exploitation and torture of animals should be dealt with as severly as the law will allow.

These two people are examples of some of the worst parts of modern society.

Colin

 

[Ferris]

Hi Pedro,

No worries mate, I'm a big fan of cats!

We should expect artists to be unorthodox, and she surely is.
Just to make sure you don't like her for the right reasons: the accusations made in the weblink you provide are not true, but inventions by people that don't like, or probably even hate her. And she did not 'kill' her cat with her bare hands to make that bag.
After a stream of hate mail she has been in court for some of the accusations, in which it was proven that she did nothing wrong. It didn't have to do with loopholes in the law, but with the fact that the accusations were untrue.

I don't want to defend her, but I do believe we should be careful in our judgements of people, and especially so when we have our information from the net.
We live in a time in which we have enourmous amounts of information at our fingertips, but should remember that much of that information is false. Anyone can write anything, there is no quality control on the web.

Now what do you think of the catcopter? Puss in props!

Adrian

 

[pmfs]

Not funny and I dont like the cathelicopter Adrian.

Pedro

 

[DEL]

The manipulative nature of her 'art' is of concern in relation to the hate mail.
She 'engineered' the response insofar as she stated that she had broken her cats neck.
It wasn't 'til 2012 that she retracted this and said that the cat was seriously ill and humanely killed by a vet.
If she had said this originally she wouldn't have had anything like the reaction, so in my opinion she deliberately
and cynically set out to entrap.
I've had a look at both her and her collaborators work and it's at best average showing little talent and having nothing new to say.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

There are also some trolling on the internet, could it be the case?
Anyone remembers the bonsai-kittens?

Cheers
Janne Nilsson

 

[pmfs]

No Janne...

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Well, Pedro, as far as I know, Bonsai-kittens are a hoax. Aka trolling in the internet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonsai_Kitten

I dont know about your case, but as there are an "artist" and the internet involved this could have been a hoax.

Cheers
Janne Nilsson