New Andrea Miniatures
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Jim Patrick
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Already ordered this set. Looking forward to it.
Jim Patrick
Jim Patrick
roadking
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I hate to be a buzzkill about this but...............
Whatever happened to understanding how to mix colors? I don't know why people buy sets of colors that they could mix themselves for a lot less money. We could buy more kits that way;-)
Jim
Whatever happened to understanding how to mix colors? I don't know why people buy sets of colors that they could mix themselves for a lot less money. We could buy more kits that way;-)
Jim
bagelman1952
A Fixture
I have a tendency to agree on this one.
I have just restarted my hobby after a very long break and the cost of paints exceeded the cost of figures to work on. I looked at the Andrea sets and priced them against individuals and they would have been close to double the cost. I am not doubting the quality of the paint but having watched the tutorial from Michigan Toy Soldier I decided to re-learn the mixing process I used when I was using Pelikan Placa (wow that shows my age)
I have just restarted my hobby after a very long break and the cost of paints exceeded the cost of figures to work on. I looked at the Andrea sets and priced them against individuals and they would have been close to double the cost. I am not doubting the quality of the paint but having watched the tutorial from Michigan Toy Soldier I decided to re-learn the mixing process I used when I was using Pelikan Placa (wow that shows my age)
Steve
A Fixture
I completely agree. Instant gratification I guess. I suppose the color wheel has gone the way of the Dodo save for with us old farts.
Jim Patrick
A Fixture
Personally? I agree with most of your comments. However I do not feel the color wheel is lost nor do I feel mixing colors is lost either. With these sets Andrea has made, it is much easier for beginners to obtain quality results. After painting a little with these sets any entry level painter can quickly learn how to vary the colors and obtain different shades of the same color.
Not saying that you guys are wrong. I do agree with most of your thoughts but I don't agree that paint sets will hinder a painters ability to progress. Just my 2 cents.
Jim Patrick
Not saying that you guys are wrong. I do agree with most of your thoughts but I don't agree that paint sets will hinder a painters ability to progress. Just my 2 cents.
Jim Patrick
Jamie Stokes
A Fixture
I remember doing a review of Andreas red set - I think I learned more from mixing my own colours, then following the easy guide stuff.
I think these sets are ok, but can hinder learning of colour mixing.
Still, my $5 investment of a colour wheel is still handier then a pre-set recipe mix.
it's a bit like cooking - every now and then, wen you try your recipes, some will be okay, the occasional disaster, and sometimes, the occasional happy accident!
Cheers
I think these sets are ok, but can hinder learning of colour mixing.
Still, my $5 investment of a colour wheel is still handier then a pre-set recipe mix.
it's a bit like cooking - every now and then, wen you try your recipes, some will be okay, the occasional disaster, and sometimes, the occasional happy accident!
Cheers
At nearly £3 a bottle, and you can't replace them individually. I think mixing is half the fun, and you can modify it to imply atmosphere, warm/ cool whites for example.
I'm still waiting for the tartan and peadot,
Carl.
I'm still waiting for the tartan and peadot,
Carl.
Mariner
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I bought the white set and quite like it, as my white mixes end up looking like old sheets
While I mix my own colours, I see the value in these sets for new painters and those who struggle with some mixes. If the sets encourage people to take up the hobby, or eliminate frustration that would result in them abandoning modelling, that's a good thing.
Mary
While I mix my own colours, I see the value in these sets for new painters and those who struggle with some mixes. If the sets encourage people to take up the hobby, or eliminate frustration that would result in them abandoning modelling, that's a good thing.
Mary
roadking
A Fixture
I am all about supporting the growth of the hobby and anything that helps is great. I have no problem with buying all kinds of goodies and I know that not everyone will get (or enjoy) mixing colors. I'm certainly not a purist either, whatever it takes to get a masterful result is fine by me. I guess that I just feel that if you are a painter then experimentation is the key to growth and knowledge. I have drawers full of various oils and in the end I use the same few tubes, mixing and playing as I go. There is nothing truly formulaic about what I do and my color wheel is stored in my head now after 30+ years of painting.
Looking back I wish I could have had a magical mix of paints like some of these sets but in the end I couldn't have learned as much, experienced as much fun in the process of learning, and I'm just kind of sad that others miss out on all that experimentation. I do see how these sets can be a pathway to learning as well, so to each his/her own.
This was an enjoyable, thought provoking exercise. We'll have to do it again sometime. Maybe when the next color set comes out ;-))
Jim
Looking back I wish I could have had a magical mix of paints like some of these sets but in the end I couldn't have learned as much, experienced as much fun in the process of learning, and I'm just kind of sad that others miss out on all that experimentation. I do see how these sets can be a pathway to learning as well, so to each his/her own.
This was an enjoyable, thought provoking exercise. We'll have to do it again sometime. Maybe when the next color set comes out ;-))
Jim
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Ah, ubi sunt, where are the snows of yesteryear? I am so old that I well remember when everyone painted with oils or Humbrol enamels in those nasty little tins and looked askance at the newfangled acrylics. I have tried several of these sets nd found them very effective, though I can never quite resist adding a touch of this and a hint of that. There are a number of members who still ask for the formulae of , in particular, German camouflage schemes, and if these series help move them into something a little more advanced, then that has to be to the good.
Ferris
A Fixture
These sets seem to be quite the commercial success, as every major paint brand offers them now.
Just to chime in on the small discussion here, I tried some of the Andrea sets, particulary the flesh set and think this one at least is very good, and allows for a lot of variety and experimentation in itself. I don't think the sets stand in the way of experimentation and learning, actually. The experimentally inclined will fiddle with everything, including such sets. And for beginners they are great, as one can focus on the painting first, instead of on the mixing. Getting the right colour mix by yourself is only easy once you have found it guys (and how many did you invent yourself hey... ;-)
For me, the positive thing with these sets is mainly the ease and speed of setting up your palette, and the 100% trouble-free reproducability of it.
By the way, I have no Andrea shares....
Happy painting all!
Adrian
Just to chime in on the small discussion here, I tried some of the Andrea sets, particulary the flesh set and think this one at least is very good, and allows for a lot of variety and experimentation in itself. I don't think the sets stand in the way of experimentation and learning, actually. The experimentally inclined will fiddle with everything, including such sets. And for beginners they are great, as one can focus on the painting first, instead of on the mixing. Getting the right colour mix by yourself is only easy once you have found it guys (and how many did you invent yourself hey... ;-)
For me, the positive thing with these sets is mainly the ease and speed of setting up your palette, and the 100% trouble-free reproducability of it.
By the way, I have no Andrea shares....
Happy painting all!
Adrian
Personnaly I do not have any of such sets ... I think that I do not need them. I have yet plenty of colours (nearly all the vallejo colours) and I do not like at all having a lot of different colour tubs on my workbench. But I would like to test one of these sets one day. I find it could be useful and I think that when I began I would surely have bought several of them !
Laurent
Laurent
what has not been mentioned is that these sets encourage you to mix. You don't use them straight from the tube except the base color. Every color after the base is mixed with the base to get your shadows and highlites. They also teach the importance of harmony with your colors. To borrow a line from the movie spies like us..."we mock what we don't understand".
billyturnip
A Fixture
That's correct Mike. I bought the Andrea flesh set and I think I learnt enough from using it that I now don't feel the need to replace it with another one. It actually taught me how to mix my paints.
Roger.
Roger.
Anders Heintz
A Fixture
I agree with Meehan for sure. To me these sets are actually a good start to begin to learn how to mix colors and how color harmony plays a role with the mixes. These sets will only go so far, at some point the painter will want to add another color to the mix and change it up some. By already having a few colors that work with eachother, it would not take long to figure out other complimentary colors.
Also, remember that this is just a paint set. I guarantee you that each person using it will get different results, based on how the paint set is used and the techniques used to paint.
I just like the idea of having a set of colors that work together and perhaps helps out the beginners or the experienced modelers to get a good start. Reaper also does a similar thing with their Triads, which is really cool.
Also, remember that this is just a paint set. I guarantee you that each person using it will get different results, based on how the paint set is used and the techniques used to paint.
I just like the idea of having a set of colors that work together and perhaps helps out the beginners or the experienced modelers to get a good start. Reaper also does a similar thing with their Triads, which is really cool.
Martin64
A Fixture
I agree to Anders and Meehan - I tried several of these sets and liked the results while I still mix my paints and of course remember the days when I painted eyes of plastic soldiers with the tip of the needle and a drop of Humbrols....
I especially like some of their shades - in the blue color set for instance - that keep a flat finish and speed up my painting process. Andrea should just consider to sell these colors as single bottles. Cheers Martin
I especially like some of their shades - in the blue color set for instance - that keep a flat finish and speed up my painting process. Andrea should just consider to sell these colors as single bottles. Cheers Martin
Einion
A Fixture
These sets don't encourage mixing in the way that that was meant, so that's a red herring. The point was about the experience gained when doing your own mixing, from scratch, not about physically mixing paint.
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Other than the thing with mixing development, I think the main issues with these are:
1, the uniformity of colour they will tend to promote; doesn't matter if the results are good, they're just one type of result, when any single colour category like yellow can be a range of hues just to begin with, but can also shadow and highlight in multiple ways (dull or bright, same hue or different hue).
2, they have a premium attached to the price.
3, you can't fill gaps individually.
Re. 2 and 3, since you're sure to use up one colour more than others over time this means that not only are you paying over the odds for paint already, you're eventually having to buy the equivalent of eight or ten paints just to stock up on one colour. Yes you will eventually use them all if you continue to use the set, but just at the time instead of having to fork out two bucks to be able to continue you have to pay many times that amount.
Previous discussions for anyone interested:
http://www.planetfigure.com/threads/andrea-releases-new-easy-paint-red-set.29414/
http://www.planetfigure.com/threads/andrea-paint-sets.44360/
Einion
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Other than the thing with mixing development, I think the main issues with these are:
1, the uniformity of colour they will tend to promote; doesn't matter if the results are good, they're just one type of result, when any single colour category like yellow can be a range of hues just to begin with, but can also shadow and highlight in multiple ways (dull or bright, same hue or different hue).
2, they have a premium attached to the price.
3, you can't fill gaps individually.
Re. 2 and 3, since you're sure to use up one colour more than others over time this means that not only are you paying over the odds for paint already, you're eventually having to buy the equivalent of eight or ten paints just to stock up on one colour. Yes you will eventually use them all if you continue to use the set, but just at the time instead of having to fork out two bucks to be able to continue you have to pay many times that amount.
Previous discussions for anyone interested:
http://www.planetfigure.com/threads/andrea-releases-new-easy-paint-red-set.29414/
http://www.planetfigure.com/threads/andrea-paint-sets.44360/
Einion
MENTAL DENTAL
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I'm with Einion and Jim!!
Martin64
A Fixture
Whoever wishes to mix paints the way it was meant can happily save a lot of money and go ahead with the four basic colors and black & white. These sets are not for him but I do not consider them as an assault on creativity or gaining of experience for the rest of the mere mortals. BTW when F. Verlinden started to offer his first conversion sets he faced the same accusation of "killing creativity". Today some of the most creative modellers regularly tell that they cut their teeth first with these conversion sets.
When I mix my paints I admit that I do it still physically - mental mixes did not work so far but maybe I have to look up the color theory another time
.I agree to all other points made in respect of price and the availability which is restricted to the set.
Cheers, Martin
