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[Uruk-Hai]

Sorry, Stefano, but I do not agree with that interpretaion.

This could, and mostly is, how hair is depicted, as it is in many other picturestones and other carvings. Compare it with the style of beard.
Also in both figures eyes and other facial features are present which would have been covered by a hood?

I do agree that in myth, Odin is often travelling incognito as an old an poor man. But in the picture he is sitting in a throne and thus not incognito hence there should be no need for the hood?

Of course hoods where there but my take is that they where not common and the hood with the long tail as in your picture from Greenland find is previking.

Cheers
Janne Nilsson

 

[ubbi]

Hi Janne, ..ah ah don't worry you may not agree with me of course ..anyway if you look at the viking sagas you can see that hood was a quite common dress , there are several descriptions of men with hoods , take a look for example at the Njall saga and you see...
best regards
stefano

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Well, even if the Sagas are a very good source they shouldnt be taken literally. It is common that authors and other artists of that time use the fashion of their own period even if the setting is 200-300 years earlier. This is very obvius in religous medeivil paintings when pre-jesus characters wear medievil clothing. Also if you studie the armor of efigys you can usually see that its a bit modern comparing to what the person may have worn.

The saga dates to the late 13th century while the events described take place between 960 and 1020. The work is anonymous, although there has been extensive speculation on the author's identity. The major events described in the saga are probably historical but the material was shaped by the author, drawing on oral tradition, according to his artistic needs. Njáls saga is the longest and most highly developed of the sagas of Icelanders. It is often considered the peak of the saga tradition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Njáls_saga

I cant seem to find anything about this Harald Greyhood. Can you provide me with some links?

Cheers
Janne Nilsson

 

[Mirofsoft]

Hello all Viking afficionados
Make it simple, if you don't like that piece, like me, don't buy it
In fact this is the standard Vikings Uniform

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Sorry, Mirosoft but we are discussing the times when the vikings where really good, or very good at being bad.

Reminds me of Bon Scotts lyric:'
"-Being a bad boy aint that bad, I had more dirty women than most men ever had. -Dare you women come along with me, Im gonna show you how good a bad boy can be."

Cheers
Janne Nilsson

 

[ubbi]

Hi Janne, yes, may be sagas sometimes could be not historical correct , but it is more for some wrong dates or events never happened , as for the Njall saga the 5° court instead of 4 courts..also we have not to make confusion between drawings and paintings that of course describe contemporary stuff because the painter couldn't know obviously how a dress or armour was 100 or more years earlier, but the oral tradition of the sagas is different in the main cases ..for example the description of shields are usually as round shields and not as the very later viking time or post viking time which were in the skate shape ..there were historians who thought about sagas as fantasy stories and they laughed when Helge Ingstad thought to discover the Vinland in North America confiding in the description of the sagas, but the discovery of viking settlements at L 'Anse aux Meadows by Helge changed the mind of many historians..
Harald Greyhood was the son Of Eirik Bloodaxe and was the king of Norway from the 961 to the 970...
there are though others examples of viking hood i miss to share ..for example the viking hood from Hedeby

this is the reproduction

this is the original
another type of hood used in the viking time was the Orkney viking hood , found in the Orkneys , but the hood was integrated with the cloak like the cloaks used by the romans

this is taken from the Yorkshire museum , it is another type of viking hood

hope this helps
my best regards
stefano

 

[Uruk-Hai]

For now I will just adress Harald Greyhood. Here in Sweden he is known as Harald Gråfäll. Gråfäll means a Gray plaid from an animal, probably a wolf?

Cheers
Janne Nilsson

 

[Uruk-Hai]

The Orkneyfind is previking/early ironage being dated 250-650 AD.

Heres a link.
http://nvg.org.au/article.php?story=20080307113034214

The other finds is a womans "hood" or a "Hätta" which is not the same thing.

The only garb thats possible is the find i Norway but theres no tail and its late vikingage.

There are however hoodlike rainprotection headgear but these are made out of leather.

Cheers
Janne Nilsson

 

[ubbi]

Hi Janne, very interesting link, there is also the Hedeby-Haitabu hood : http://nvg.org.au/article.php?story=20080429214830673&query=cloak
In other sites consider the Orkney hood dating in the viking age ..but this is not a problem..
considering the numbers of hoods find more less in the same number i suppose of the cloak fragments , and considering that textiles induments are very difficult to find because of their weakness and more for the viking period where the most men were cremated rather than buried, and we have in general for all the clothing textiles more women finds than men , probably because this stuff is better preserved in proximity of metal ( women jewelery )... the hoods like cloaks or hood+cloaks were common dress IMHO .

cheers
stefano

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Stefano, alos notice that the ones that is to for women is made of silk in some cases which is a very thin material and not as practical for a hood that we are talking about.

Cheers
Janne Nilsson