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A Fixture
Really like this one, the shield work alone is fantastic, will have to get it when released.
Steve
Steve
Piotrec
A Fixture
Great. On the wish list.
bagelman1952
A Fixture
Powerful looking piece
Ken
Ken
Redcap
A Fixture
Fabulous, just wish it had been a 75 mm but another 'must buy'.
Gary
Gary
Tommi
A Fixture
Fantastic and another one to add to the Soldiers SGF grey army.
Tommi
Tommi
debrito
A Fixture
Great Laruccia.....
roadking
A Fixture
Another wonderful sculpture by Laruccia. The reference is taken from Osprey MAA #451 "Imperial Roman Naval Forces 31 BC-500 AD. The subject is on the cover and is quite colorful. We did have a discussion over on the MedRom Forum about the shield. There is some debate about having those metal decorations as their attachment points would weaken the shield as well as adding weight. There is also debate about the shape. This may well be a parade item but no actual shield to match this type has ever been found. The design is simply taken from sculptural relief.
Having said that it would not be a fault of the sculpture but a research issue on the part of the Osprey author.and it would NEVER stop me from buying this wonderful piece. In this scale nobody is as good as Adriano. Mine is already reserved!
Jim
Having said that it would not be a fault of the sculpture but a research issue on the part of the Osprey author.and it would NEVER stop me from buying this wonderful piece. In this scale nobody is as good as Adriano. Mine is already reserved!
Jim
megroot
A Fixture
Impressive sculpting form Laruccia.
Like this very much.
marc
Like this very much.
marc
Patrick Kamsma
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Wow, nice detail in 54mm and great dynamic pose.
This one is on the wishlist.
This one is on the wishlist.
Einion
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The details are all beautifully sculpted as we'd expect from Laruccia. But all that gorgeous work on the shield is a shame as it's likely inaccurate and history buffs - which this is created for, on paper at least - would be called upon to remove it!
And that pose looks very stiff and unconvincing to my eyes - if he needed to gesture that far to the left with his sword I think he'd want to twist his torso rather than try to push against the armour. Even without armour the gesture feels a bit forced. Classic example showing that even some top sculptors shouldn't forget to try poses in the mirror before setting to work!
Einion
And that pose looks very stiff and unconvincing to my eyes - if he needed to gesture that far to the left with his sword I think he'd want to twist his torso rather than try to push against the armour. Even without armour the gesture feels a bit forced. Classic example showing that even some top sculptors shouldn't forget to try poses in the mirror before setting to work!
Einion
Edorta
A Fixture
I desagree. I think that is perfectly possible and natural keep the torso in line with the legs, turn the head to the right- give an order- and point to the left with the right arm. Moreover, considering that the sculpture represents a motion sequence.
Einion
A Fixture
Like I said, the gesture feels forced to me; I'm not just going on how it looks although it was the thing that made me check (many completely genuine poses don't look right). I tried to do the motion without thinking and my shoulders naturally twist a little to the left to accomplish the action, every time. Try it yourself, see if the same thing happens.
But regardless of what happens then, now try it dressed in a heavy sweater with an overcoat tightly buttoned over the top of it and with a 1.5 kg weight in your right hand (saucepan with a little over a litre of water in it would be about perfect). Now how natural does it feel?
Einion
But regardless of what happens then, now try it dressed in a heavy sweater with an overcoat tightly buttoned over the top of it and with a 1.5 kg weight in your right hand (saucepan with a little over a litre of water in it would be about perfect). Now how natural does it feel?
Einion
gorgosaurus
Well-Known Member
This pose could be justified as a frozen moment "in extremis", hostiles to the left, moving forward, friends to the right - we force our bodies to do all kinds of uncomfortable things in "survival" situations.
But I do like your reasoning, Einion - it´s one thing doing this in jeans and a shirt, another thing totally "in the gear".
Working in museum reconstructions of Iron Age and Viking Period life, one soon finds that what cultural conditioning has indoctrinated us to think looks right often doesn´t work optimally in practice; things need padding and tweaking. Some otherwise very tempting figures of Anglo-saxon warriors have not made it into my collection because someone has thought they needed a cloak over chainmail to "look the period". Or a sword strapped to their back because it looks cool .
Spike.
But I do like your reasoning, Einion - it´s one thing doing this in jeans and a shirt, another thing totally "in the gear".
Working in museum reconstructions of Iron Age and Viking Period life, one soon finds that what cultural conditioning has indoctrinated us to think looks right often doesn´t work optimally in practice; things need padding and tweaking. Some otherwise very tempting figures of Anglo-saxon warriors have not made it into my collection because someone has thought they needed a cloak over chainmail to "look the period". Or a sword strapped to their back because it looks cool
.Spike.
Edorta
A Fixture
Sorry Enion, we could be talking about this the whole life, ( is not my intention), while I accept your premise as valid I think the movement of the head to the right, compensates the movement of the shoulders to the left, at least when I do.
Therefore, the natural is that the pose, does not seem natural, and seems forced, given that he wears armor, helmet, sword, etc? So I said it can be prefectly natural, at least for me.
About your second comment if you allow me a joke:
"But regardless of what happens then, now try it dressed in a heavy sweater with an overcoat tightly buttoned over the top of it and with a 1.5 kg weight in your right hand (saucepan with a little over a litre of water in it would be about perfect). Now how natural does it feel? "
It looks so natural, like a roman tribune, dressed like that, brandishing a saucepan..
Therefore, the natural is that the pose, does not seem natural, and seems forced, given that he wears armor, helmet, sword, etc? So I said it can be prefectly natural, at least for me.
About your second comment if you allow me a joke:
"But regardless of what happens then, now try it dressed in a heavy sweater with an overcoat tightly buttoned over the top of it and with a 1.5 kg weight in your right hand (saucepan with a little over a litre of water in it would be about perfect). Now how natural does it feel?
"It looks so natural, like a roman tribune, dressed like that, brandishing a saucepan..
billyturnip
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It looks so natural, like a roman tribune, dressed like that, brandishing a saucepan..
Don't let the neighbours see you Eduardo!
Zastrow.cuirassier
PlanetFigure Supporter
Another Adriano amazing figure.
This sculptor might be an E.T
Sculpting like that !
Really one of the best (but i do not forget the others ).
This sculptor might be an E.T
Sculpting like that !
Really one of the best (but i do not forget the others
).
Martin64
A Fixture
Like I said, the gesture feels forced to me; I'm not just going on how it looks although it was the thing that made me check (many completely genuine poses don't look right). I tried to do the motion without thinking and my shoulders naturally twist a little to the left to accomplish the action, every time. Try it yourself, see if the same thing happens.
But regardless of what happens then, now try it dressed in a heavy sweater with an overcoat tightly buttoned over the top of it and with a 1.5 kg weight in your right hand (saucepan with a little over a litre of water in it would be about perfect). Now how natural does it feel?
Einion
Einion, I did not try your recommended "saucepan-method" but my job requires from time to time to wear body armor and/or "riot gear". Today`s body armor is quite comfortable to wear while still stiff but back in the eighties the flak jackets were made up from real heavy plates (closer to Roman armor). At the same time we were handling shields, long batons and wearing helmets, leg protectors etc so that since then I wonder about the relaxed faces of some Roman Miniatures that are fully geared up and seem to be in action.
Nevertheless - if you are wearing a stiff chest harness, looking over your shoulder to the right and pointing with the swordarm to the left the breastplate will get into your way and force you into unnatural movements because your left arm which you would naturally like to use in that moment is clinging to a heavy shield.
And to make things worse imagine that he might be a part of a close formation and that there is somebody at his left...
So if you try to stage the move of the tribune I recommend to strap a plate or else in front of your chest and try to point "around" that obstacle while moving forward upstairs with an adequately equipped buddy to your left and your wife as "enemy" setting up the defence with a broomstick
(and please post some pictures)Therefore in my eyes the pose looks ok.
All the best, Martin
Zastrow.cuirassier
PlanetFigure Supporter
Einion, just a little thing, i was in Army Special forces with a lot of equipment, weight was around 60kg without arms, and if you have seen the posture or gesture of some of us , sure it was more than funny.
When you make war, first you fight !
When you make war, first you fight !
