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godfather

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I was wondering if any one can suggest a web site where I can get info on the properties, such as opaquness etc, of different oil paint colours. For example would like to know the difference between different blacks such as lamp or ivory black or diffs bewteen van dyke brown and burnt umber. Which colours have green or brown undertones. Maybe this is too much to ask from a website but hey I'll give it a try. Any info appreciated.
 
Sorry, there's no one place where you can get all this information. There are a couple of artists' handbooks that cover pigments in a fairly comprehensive manner if you're really serious about getting a good grounding in them, your local library might have a few of them. There are also some websites but I should warn you that the specifics of a colour can be highly dependant on the exact paint in question in a number of ways, so even knowing generic pigment info can only take you so far - paints made with the same pigments from Michael Harding or Old Holland won't be remotely the same in use to Grumbacher Pre-Tested or Gamblin because they're not made to the same philosophy.

Since you mention Van Dyke Brown that's a good example of variability because almost every one is now a hue and not the real thing (the real pigment is fugitive so you wouldn't want it anyway) and as a result it is made from various combinations of earths, real and synthetic, and a number of blacks so you can imagine how much it might vary from range to range. That is really just the tip of the iceberg.

The basics on opacity are fairly easy to come by, most makers use a four-point scale to class their paints and this information is usually on the colour charts in leaflets and on their websites so check your own brand(s) accordingly - Talens, W&N and Daler-Rowney have this that I recall and Gamblin's website has a little blurb on each colour giving an overview of its properties.

Other than that you'll have to pick up the information from personal recommendations and hands-on experience.

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On paint selection in general I wouldn't get too hung up on this sort of detail. Although it's important to know the masstone, undercolour and tint of your paints to be able to use them to the best of your ability, if you buy a tube of oil paint and it's not exactly as John Smith's recommended tube of the same colour you can't exactly go and buy a replacement because before you know it you'll have 50 tubes of oil paint that you'll barely be familiar with, in addition to having a lot less money to spend on models.

My advice: buy the basics (12-15 colours is about right), learn them well and you'll probably never feel the lack of anything more exotic.

Here's what I would suggest:
Phthalo Blue Green Shade, PB15:3 (or Prussian Blue, PB27)
Ultramarine, PB29 (French Ultramarine is usually very similar or the same)
Cadmium Red Light, PR108
Quinacridone Rose, PV19 (or Permanent Alizarin Crimson)
Cadmium Lemon, PY35
Cadmium Yellow Medium, PY35 or PY37
Mars Black
Titanium White

This concentrates on opaque paints as much as possible because coverage is so important to us. Don't skimp on brand on the white, an expensive one will serve you well (better pigmentation = better opacity) and can help to balance out some of the very strong pigments like Phthalo Blue and Quinacridone Rose.

Most of us rely on a few earths as well, my favourites are:
Yellow Ochre, PY43 (or Mars Yellow, Gold Ochre or similar, PY42)
Red Oxide, PR101 (or English Red, Light Red or Venetian Red)
Burnt Umber, PBr7 (I like Raw Umber but it's not absolutely vital, since it's cheap you can add this if you want)

You'll notice there are no greens since you can mix these so easily and also no violets since we will practically never need a brilliant violet in the hobby and you can mix any type you like from the above colours. If you do want to add any of these Chromium Oxide Green, PG17, is a good choice being the most opaque green available, a bit dull but a good base. If you want a basic dark green Phthalo Green Blue Shade, PG7, is probably the most versatile; Viridian, PG18, is an option but it's much weaker and a bit dull (often a bit more expensive too). Dioxazine Purple is a good blue-violet paint, if you would prefer a red-violet Quinacridone Violet, PV19, is a good choice.

Einion
 
Wow thanks for the excellebt info. I have, good or bad, about 50 oils colours. I usually use 10 :( Maybe that is the reason I want to know the difference between them :)
 
You're welcome, glad to try to help.

Originally posted by godfather@Jul 30 2005, 07:42 PM
I have, good or bad, about 50 oils colours. I usually use 10 :( Maybe that is the reason I want to know the difference between them :)
Ya, good reason :)

If you have three colours that are in the same rough bracket - three blacks for example - try this: prime a scrap of plastic card or something like that white and paint swatches of each full strength, this is the masstone. Brush the colour out thinly, that's the undercolour. Mix up tints with the same amount of a given white, this will show the tint.

You can do the same thing with all of your other paints to get a starting comparative look at your palette; if you measure the amount of white and the other colours carefully for consistency it will give you a good reference to the relative tinting strength of all your paints - the stronger paints will make darker tints so you'll know at a glance which paints you need to add in very cautiously to mixes (phthalo blues and greens, Dioxazine Purple for example).

When these tests are dry they will give you a reference for which paints naturally tend to dry matt, with a sheen or glossy - for example Ultramarine, Prussian Blue and Phthalo Blue respectively might fall into these categories.

Einion
 
Excellent thread, guys.

I would also add the following to must haves for oil (keep in mind that I have found these valuable!).

Pyrol Red (PR 254?) - Is there anything better red coverage? This beatuty gives Cad Red Deep a run!. You can get this as WN Bright Red too.
Carbazole Violet - Deep purple. Dries flat and an excellent shade for Reds ( see above).
Also, Brown Madder Alazarin, Indigo, and Buff Titanium.

Keith
 
Hi Keith, cad reds are really the best for our purposes for a couple of reasons. Pyrrole reds are semi-opaque at best - beautiful colour though they are - they can seem to cover well because they are staining colours but for true opacity the cads are the only real contenders in most oil paints. Cadmiums are also relatively dull mixers which makes it easier to mix realistic colours too, helpful for us.

Carbazole Violet is the same thing as Dioxazine Purple ;)

W&N have discontinued Brown Madder Alizarin because it contained Ali Crimson, Brown Madder is their replacement for this spot on the palette made from different (lightfast) pigments. As you can see if you check the ingredients it is easy to mix this sort of colour, as you can with Buff Titanium and Indigo.

Einion
 
Try to find the book "Color theory and application" by Bob Knee published by Historical Miniature consider that the book was published the firt time in December 1997, so I don' t know if it is still avaible.
Here you can find a lot of noticies about the color theory, how mixing colours, their properties and many many other things
I can help you giving the coordinates of the publisher (consider the year 1997...) :
R&K Productions, 6080 Sunnycrest Drive Agoura , California 91301
e-mail: [email protected]
Good luck.

Marco
 
Einion-Thanks for the comments on the pyrol red. I recently used that along with some mars brown for the baseon a highlander tunic. I did notice the staining properties mentioned and it does shade really well with the purples. Next time I'll give the CadRed a go :lol:

Keith
 
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