Olympic Closing Ceremony

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as we keep getting told, it's supposedly given us a burst of national pride (whatever being "British" means these days given local government won't even let you fly the national flag from your house and display a St George Cross at anything other than a England soccer match and by default you are deemed to be 'racist' or a BNP voter?) and of course, the athletes did it all for their respective country (insert as applicable) and not themselves! I do wonder when the money starts rolling in to their bank accounts just how many of them will voluntarily plough back some of their own money into projects & groups who help young kids aspiring to the dreams and standards they have reached and which, here in the UK anyway, were possible for them by sponsorship via the taxpayer and national lottery funds? Let's see if the "Olympic Spirit" or individual and corporate £/$ greed prevail eh.

Gary
A few well made points here Gary. The 'ban' on flying the St Georges cross to represent England and all of it's cultural mix simply plays right into the hands of those extremists who are incapable of recognising any worth in an individual other than the colour of they skin or the version of god they acknowledge.
Local Authorities in England are no different from those in Scotland where many have banned the use of the term Christmas at school parties incase it offends children from other religions. I have a few moslem friends and a moslem brother in law and they don't give a monkeys t*ss whether Chrismas is celebrated or not, as far as they're concerned its another party for their kids. Some nurseries have banned singing Baa Baa Blacksheep......honest.
As to the atheletes see Mikes post, unlike many top footballers who have a much longer career and consequently the potential for much higher earnings, a lot of the atheletes currently and post retiral do and will contribute to the development of their sports.
Derek
 
99.9% of the athletes in the olympics will return home to their jobs or school with no endorsement deals.

I take on board your point, but I think your quoted 99.9% is somewhat inaccurate and exaggerated in order to make it. Perhaps halve that figure and you may be nearer the mark. That still leaves however a lot of soon to be wealthy people which I have no problem with and good luck to them. No, my point is, lets not try and package the Olympics as anything other than what they are; i.e a wonderful historic event and principal introduced to bring waring Greek nationalistic states to a temporary truce and cessation of hostilities that has been corrupted in the modern age by business and financial considerations first and foremost with the sporting element secondary. Enjoy the spectacle by all means, but it is now as much about business and money generation as soccer, baseball, US football, golf and any other populist form of sport.....oh and with some big dollops of political kickbacks and opportunism thrown in as well.

Cheers!
Gary
 
Nice to know that Simon Cowells One Direction are seen as a bigger Musical influence than say The Rolling Stones ?
Enjoyed the Olympics in general though .Wish I had been as lucky in the ticket draw as Wills And Kate !
Martin
 
Piotrec - maybe they didn't, I don't know. But I don't think that was abbo's point really. It's not about the Stones specifically, more like "is this really the best we have to offer"? And yes we all know one of Britain's main exports is music, but is music really all we have? That and "fashion"?

I didn't watch the closing ceremony live, but given that the opening ceremony turned out better than expected, I have since caught up with some of it through catch-up on the Internet. Clearly the organisation and the logistics were very good (such things really must take some organising), and I don't want to take anything away from those behind the scenes who were involved in the staging of it.

But from what I've seen, the "talent" was for the most part decidedly second-rate with a lot of artists lip-synching / miming and just turning in altogether second-rate performances. I've already dealt with the Spice Women and One Direction so I won't dwell on them any more. But who invited the godawful George Michael? What was he doing there? Representing Britons who play with themselves in public toilets? Or the embarrassing indulgence of the crashingly unfunny (and completely lost-up-his-own-arse) Russell Brand doing his 'I'm a rock star' fantasy. And as for Roger Daltrey and Pete Townsend, pack it in now lads and stop tarnishing a legend, because without John Entwistle and Keith Moon / Kenny Jones you aren't "The Who" any more than Brian May and Roger Taylor are still "Queen" without Freddie Mercury and John Deacon. Then there was the brief David Bowie bit. The different pictures, the different snatches of music, each of them moving us through his career, like a countdown to... no, it can't be ... surely not?! He's not actually going to appear is he!?! Well, erm, no. Cos it just stopped at 'Fashion' and a bunch of worthless "supermodels" appeared instead (and I'd wager that at least two of them were glad that it was only the athletes being drug-tested, not the performers :eek:). Talk about anti-climax. I could go on (Annie Lennox, Jessie J, Take That ... etc. etc.) but you get my drift. At least they didn't wheel Paul McCartney out of cryogenic suspension again to drone his way through "Hey Jude" for the gazillionth time.

But why does it always have to be about "pop" music anyway? If it's supposed to be about "Britishness", why can't they find a slot for, say, the London Philharmonic doing some stirring (and rip-roaringly British) classical proms type stuff? That appeals to all ages and never fails to create an atmosphere and get the flags flying.

"Always Look On The Bright Side Of Life" is wearing a bit thin now as well. It was funny in 1979/80 when the film came out, but has been completely done to death since.

I have to admit to having been rather sceptical of the whole Olympics thing in the run-up, but I've surprised myself by actually quite enjoying some of it as I've dipped in and out on the trusty old cathode-ray tube. Indeed the two and a half weeks of the Games have been, for the most part, pretty much ********-free in the sense that they've been about ordinary people doing rather extraordinary things, and about the value of community spirit and (for the most part) friendly and good-natured international competition (if you discount the female Ukrainian shotputter who looks like Sean Bean being disqualified for doping). At the closing ceremony though, things started getting back to normal, with borderline mass hysteria over second-rate pop acts and the idolising of egotistical "celebrities" of questionable talent.

- Steve
 
For me the only real current talent on show was Elbow and Emeli Sande by miles and I suppose leaving personal taste aside Jessie J can fair belt out a song pretty much in tune.
I believe that the concept was more a general representation of British popular music over the past decades. If so then One Directions inclusion is understandable given their popularity and international scales and I'll bet there's plenty of Mums out there who are happy their daughters like One Direction rather than the quaintly named South African band Fokofpolisiekar.
However Russel Brand should be in jail for offences against ............... (add your own choices, all work fine):yuck:
Derek
 
Piotrec - maybe they didn't, I don't know. But I don't think that was abbo's point really. It's not about the Stones specifically, more like "is this really the best we have to offer"? And yes we all know one of Britain's main exports is music, but is music really all we have? That and "fashion"?

I didn't watch the closing ceremony live, but given that the opening ceremony turned out better than expected, I have since caught up with some of it through catch-up on the Internet. Clearly the organisation and the logistics were very good (such things really must take some organising), and I don't want to take anything away from those behind the scenes who were involved in the staging of it.

But from what I've seen, the "talent" was for the most part decidedly second-rate with a lot of artists lip-synching / miming and just turning in altogether second-rate performances. I've already dealt with the Spice Women and One Direction so I won't dwell on them any more. But who invited the godawful George Michael? What was he doing there? Representing Britons who play with themselves in public toilets? Or the embarrassing indulgence of the crashingly unfunny (and completely lost-up-his-own-arse) Russell Brand doing his 'I'm a rock star' fantasy. And as for Roger Daltrey and Pete Townsend, pack it in now lads and stop tarnishing a legend, because without John Entwistle and Keith Moon / Kenny Jones you aren't "The Who" any more than Brian May and Roger Taylor are still "Queen" without Freddie Mercury and John Deacon. Then there was the brief David Bowie bit. The different pictures, the different snatches of music, each of them moving us through his career, like a countdown to... no, it can't be ... surely not?! He's not actually going to appear is he!?! Well, erm, no. Cos it just stopped at 'Fashion' and a bunch of worthless "supermodels" appeared instead (and I'd wager that at least two of them were glad that it was only the athletes being drug-tested, not the performers :eek:). Talk about anti-climax. I could go on (Annie Lennox, Jessie J, Take That ... etc. etc.) but you get my drift. At least they didn't wheel Paul McCartney out of cryogenic suspension again to drone his way through "Hey Jude" for the gazillionth time.

But why does it always have to be about "pop" music anyway? If it's supposed to be about "Britishness", why can't they find a slot for, say, the London Philharmonic doing some stirring (and rip-roaringly British) classical proms type stuff? That appeals to all ages and never fails to create an atmosphere and get the flags flying.

"Always Look On The Bright Side Of Life" is wearing a bit thin now as well. It was funny in 1979/80 when the film came out, but has been completely done to death since.

I have to admit to having been rather sceptical of the whole Olympics thing in the run-up, but I've surprised myself by actually quite enjoying some of it as I've dipped in and out on the trusty old cathode-ray tube. Indeed the two and a half weeks of the Games have been, for the most part, pretty much ********-free in the sense that they've been about ordinary people doing rather extraordinary things, and about the value of community spirit and (for the most part) friendly and good-natured international competition (if you discount the female Ukrainian shotputter who looks like Sean Bean being disqualified for doping). At the closing ceremony though, things started getting back to normal, with borderline mass hysteria over second-rate pop acts and the idolising of egotistical "celebrities" of questionable talent.

- Steve
Steve mate - you ought to write books or have your own newspaper column because I would buy em / read them respectively. Brilliant use of language and the best laugh I have had for ages!:happy:

Gary
 
Though I agree with some of the comments above it is rather like the music mags of old when arguments over who was the best guitarist abounded.It is purely a matter of taste.My problem with the whole thread is it's relevance on a figure modelling site.As a member of a modelling club I know why we don't discuss politics and religion,it's a recipe for disaster.Surely there are enough matters of interest in the modelling world without entering this morass of politics and which artists are past it.Cheers,Ian
 
Though I agree with some of the comments above it is rather like the music mags of old when arguments over who was the best guitarist abounded. It is purely a matter of taste.My problem with the whole thread is it's relevance on a figure modelling site. As a member of a modelling club I know why we don't discuss politics and religion,it's a recipe for disaster. Surely there are enough matters of interest in the modelling world without entering this morass of politics and which artists are past it.Cheers,Ian

Ian, that's why this particular thread is in the "Lounge" forum. Which is specifically for (and I quote): "Miscellaneous and off-topic conversations go here. Be tasteful, rules apply here: e.g. no religion or politics." That's "off-topic" as in nothing to do with modelling.

- Steve
 
I thought the closing ceremony was the best day of the olympics...It being the last one......Yee Haa
 
I think it's too bad they didn't shoot some of those surface-to-air missiles from appartment blocks. That would have given the closing ceremony a bit extra...
Oh well, maybe in Brazil.

Adrian
 
Sound sucked but that was good when Spice Gurls were up. I was a little annoyed when I heard that NBC edited out the Queen given what a star she was in the opening ceremonies....but then I found out it was Q U E E N, no T H E. So that's all right then.

COlin
 
Exactly Steve,you make my point.The role of Monarchy,taxation,politicians use of the games,no politics ?

No not really. No party politics anyway. For one thing, the monarchy is an apolitical institution, and discussing whether or not the games have been "worth the money" not really much different to dicussing whether anything else is "worth the money" is it? Hardly "politics" in the heavy-duty sense.

In any case, casting a quick eye back over the thread in the relatively few posts in which references have been made to politics/politicians directly, I think most of us seem to agree that politicians of all shades are largely a bunch of opportunistic, self-serving tossers who are very good at spending other people's money. So if anything, so far it's all been very cordial and harmonious, with most of us singing from the same hymn sheet - and what could be more in tune with the "Olympic spirit" than that, eh?! ;) :D

- Steve
 
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