Opinions are like (you know what).

[Uruk-Hai]

Hello Figureteers!

Im having a debate with a fellow at another well know Swedish modelling site about the new releases from Andrea that Ive also posted there.

He doesnt think the painting, finnish and poses are realistic or natural?

Im very aware myself that there are certains styles, likes and dislikes but it seems to me that the ones that "know" how realistic and natural figures should look like does not paint figures themselves or only sporadically to go along with an AFV.

Also these fellows tend to avoid shadowing, highlighting and weathering.
And what bugs me a bit is that they think that the lack of the above or a minimum is more realstic? Too me its far more better to have more than less in this case.

Is it just me or do you Figureteers have the same experience?

Cheers

 

[vergilius]

It's an endless discussion. When I just started painting I wasn't very fond of too much highlight and too dark shadows. But after a while, I changed my mind a bit. I'm still not fond of the extreme highlights but that's a matter of personal tast.
I know some people like the one's you describe and what bugs me most is not the fact that they usually can't paint at all, but that they consider themselves masters and force there "advice" upon you.
Luckily you can avoid these people, unlike the deeds of some statesmen.

 

[Frank-Holger]

I for myself like to get critics. This is the way I can learn and improve my skills. That is, the critics has to be "intelligent". If you get a fellow saying it is crap what you have done, ok, it is his opinion. I will and can never change it.

But firsthand, I build for myself and my own critic. If it pleases me what I have sculpted or painted, it is ok. If other folks like it, the better!

And we have so much possibilities to view and discuss the work of others! In my eyes, every modeller is pleased when he gets a -good or not so good- critic of his work. You know, the more eyes that see the more can be seen, maybe overlooked by only a pair of eyes.

I am not the guy who wants to hear great, fantatstic, overwhelming. When I for myself see something in my work with which I am not so comfortable with, and this means, fellow modellers must see it, too, than I feel nervous hearing how good the work is.

And we all can forget about self named masters who didn´t paint a thing! So work for you own fun, HAVE fun and paint or sculpt in whatever technique you like! As long as it pleases yourself!

Frank

 

[thegoodsgt]

Painting and finish will always be a matter of personal style, but poses are somewhat more objective. Look to any good sculptor for advice, and you'll get a lot of feedback about proportions, anatomy, balance, etc. I think even non-modelers have a good sense of when a figure's pose or anatomy is poorly conceived.

As for discussions about painting and finishing, shut them up with this: "Your opinion, while interesting, is irrelevant."

 

[vergilius]

nicely said

 

[yeo_64]

Hear, Hear !!! My sentiments EXACTLY !!! Cheers !
Kenneth.

 

[renarts]

Originally posted by thegoodsgt@Dec 7 2006, 07:35 AM
As for discussions about painting and finishing, shut them up with this: "Your opinion, while interesting, is irrelevant."

Certainly a good bit of advice but sort of akin to telling a dog to shut up thats barking too much. As an artist, you are subject to everyone elses aesthetics and opinions. The onus is on you learn to take that criticism and retain what you find useful and disregard that which you find meaningless and doesn't align with your aesthetic. If you can't take criticism, don't put your work up for others to see and certainly never enter a show.

 

[KeithP]

I'll take the contrary course, I did not like the Andrea pieces either. Not so much the poses but the painting did not appeal to me. Note how I said "appeal to me". That is all it is... my personal preference. I felt it was rather bland.

For a while, there was (and still is to a lesser degree) the use of black in flesh tones and as a large part of the shadow component. Now, again to me, that does not look natural. I can appreciate the style but not agree with the technique.

It's all a matter of taste and it's almost impossible to argue from any one viewpoint.

Keith

 

[bonehead]

Hello Janne,

Interesting topic. Opinions are like belly buttons, everybody has one. And of course, I have always believed that everybody is entitled to MY opinion!

But I digress. It is a good policy to listen carefully to anybody's opinion. They have different experiences than you do and thus a different point of view. If you are truly open minded you can learn from anybody. It is maintaining that open mind that takes effort.

However, it is okay to reject an opinion if it appears to be coming from somewhere you would rather not tread. We all create our own little realities anyway, so it is not necessary that our realities match. It is a given that they will not.

Take what you can use and leave the rest behind. Even my, often unwelcome, opinion which everybody is entitled to.......!!

Cheers!!

Mike
P.S. Janne, the blimps have finally disappeared! Or maybe that is just the drugs wearing off......

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Hahaha............. :lol:

Thanks everybody, I was just a little bit fed up with this guy when I posted this topic. You guys just are the best!

As this fellow belongs to what I refer to the minimalistics in the modelling community as they dont believe/think any kind of highlighing or shading to be of any improvement, whether it be a figure, AFV or aeroplane.

Also these fellows generally dont do figures at all?

And take care, Mike.
Funny thing about the blimp being gone, so are the voices in my heas as well. I think they are quit as they think that will drive me crazy. :lol:

Cheers

 

[Wlas]

Seems I always make a comment last. Lazy....you bet.
Minimalists have been around for decades. They're toy soldier painters.
As for the value of opinions, well....no doubt mine are the most valuable....since I charge the most.
Vague, non-commited opinion: $5.00 (U.S.)
Positive, re-inforcing opinion: $10.50 (U.S.)
Positive, strong ego enhancing: $20.00 (U.S.)
Positive Plus, comes with stunned awe at the utter brilliance: $40.00 (U.S.) Faux-fainting spell $20.00 extra.