Paint question- what are your preferences ?

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jimz66

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Those of you who have done this for a while with all the new paints out there, what are your preferences and why?

Is it harder to learn with soley acrylics or acrylics then to oils? What's everyone's preference? Like I said I my other post. Looking to get started. Jim
 
Neither is really harder to learn than the other. It's more about learning to use which medium you choose.

Water based acrylics:
-Can be cheaper to buy than oils.
-Short drying time without adding medium or using a wet palette.
-No need to use spirits for thinning and cleaning.

Oils:
-Can be expensive if you're going for the high quality art grade.
-Have to use spirits for thinning.
-Long working time so you can blend, and blend.
-Long drying time depending on thickness and mediums.

If you want quick painting I'd say acrylics but if you want to take your time and bend I'd say look into oils either with enamel or acrylic base or even as your only paint.

If you do choose oils I'd recommend learning some colour theory to really take advantage of a longer drying time and reduce the amount of tubes you might need.
 
It is mostly a matter of preference. Good and bad results can be obtained with any medium.
All mediums require a learning curve as well.
My advice would be to pick the medium you are most attracted to and for which there are good tutorials. With the latter in mind, acrylics are perhaps the way to go, as there are many excellent how-to videos on YouTube you can use for learning and inspiration.

And if you later do fancy oils instead, you can still use the acrylics as base coat.

Good luck and don’t expect immediate masterpieces.... enjoy your learning curve!

Adrian
 
Look, since you are in the US, my suggestion is to buy a few bottles of Soflat paints made by Golden in NY
all of them are super matte when dry
most are pure pigments
that's what I use most of the time these days
you can essily transfer them in dropper bottles for ease of application
get some flow aid by Liquitex or Golden as well for even easier application
 
I began painting using enamels and scoffed at acrylics - couldn't be any good if they're water-based, right? Wrong! I use acrylics exclusively now from several different manufacturers and all are good. They cover well, dry quickly and clean up easily. Vallejo is my primary paint brand and they alone must produce several hundred different colors for you to choose from. And of course you can always easily blend colors together to create your own colors. The possibilities are endless. On the other hand I have seen some absolutely exquisite miniatures painted with oils on PF. I've never tried oils but doubt that I have the artistic skill to use them effectively.
Rick
 
I personally like acrylics for laying in the base colors (I tend heavily toward Mission Models Paints), then oils for tinting and shading (I like ABT 502 oils). I'll go back to acrylics for fine detailing and where brighter colors are called for.
 
Jim, this question is as old as modelling itself. Adrian & Forte's answers are particularly good. There's a lot of good sense in the other answers, too. I'd say find what works for you. Yep, it can get expensive initially. Oils paints though, if looked after, can last decades, and yes, I really mean that.

I think a great many of us have probably started with Humbrol enamels or similar, as we probably had a background doing armour or planes as kids and kept using them for figures. Seeing as they're often sold side by side in the model shops (you remember those?). People have used these to great effect.

I was a dyed-in-the-wool oils man having the late great Connie Schulte, Guy Herrick and Phil Haynes to learn from (how fortunate was I?). Even I only use oils for skin tones now though.

All I can say is, try to speak to other figure painters in person at a show or club meet. Generally they're only too happy to share their techniques. I can only think of one exception to this, so don't hesitate to ask.

The only problem you'll get is that if you ask 3 different painters, you'll get 4 different answers!
 
Primer : Tamya white ( can )
First layer : Humbrol
Second layer, shadows, highllight : oils Winson & Newton
For plaster, Das Pronto, groundworks, diorama, oils ( cheap ones Chinese 10€ a box of 12 ) with very cheap brushes
Eyes, drawings, tatoos ; fell tips, even exist in 0.01mm
Dust : dry pastel reduced to dust
Deep shadows ( under pockets, flaps etc ... ) Chinese ink Sepia applied with pen
Various : highlighter pens, water colours ( Plaka ), acrylics, white glue ( mixed to water ), metalic powders .... and everything is worth a try
Welcome
 
Acrylics across the board. Oils every once in moon on faces to differ it up. All name brand acrylics as each has their own merits.
Pick one and master it!!!!!! Don't flip flop between them if you think one isn't working over the other.

Practice, practice,practice...... And if it does not work strip the paint off and start again.

I stripped the bust of the " young pope." FOUR TIMES before I was satisfied I was in the right direction. It's just paint.

Cheers,
Todd
 
Those of you who have done this for a while with all the new paints out there, what are your preferences and why?

Is it harder to learn with soley acrylics or acrylics then to oils? What's everyone's preference? Like I said I my other post. Looking to get started. Jim

I've got an accumulation of different media and brands in my Farbkastl, some reaching back to when I was a kid, others acquired in more recent years:

Water-based acrylics, ie, acrylic-based paints that are water-soluable:
Andrea
Vallejo Model Color
Lifecolor (about a half-dozen paints, the US Army ETO 1944 colors, thanks to Hershbell (oldtrousers) for giving me the set to play with
Craft-store paints-Americana, Folk Art, Apple Barrel

I have come more and more to use water-based acrylics for figures, because with a wet palette, I find them easy to use and to work quickly. And craft-store brands satisfy my Dutchy sense (ie, cheapness), because the prices are right for the amount and they go a long way. They can be airbrushed, too.

Lacquer-based acrylics:
Basically, that's Tamiya's acrylic colors, the X and XF series. I use for painting figures, but also for my scale models, especially for airbrushing. They're formulated for airbrushing, and once I realized that, and realized to use Tamiya's proprietary acrylic thinner, I could hand-brush them without any issue, too.

Enamels:
Mostly Testor and Model Master, now discontinued. Thinned with mineral spirits, and mostly airbrushed, too.

Lacquers:
Mostly Hobby-san and Color-san (ie, Mr Hobby, Mr Color), some old Gunze-Sangyo. Mostly airbrushed, thinned with lacquer thinner, though in some applications, brushed by hand right out of the jar.

Water-based acrylic enamel: Pactra's old brand, from when I was a kid (in the 70s). Back then, I had no idea what different kinds of paints were, they were just paints, and I bought 'em for color. Pactra had a royal blue that was perfect for Prussian uniforms, and a green that was perfect for Jäger uniforms. When I finished that jar, I was hard-pressed to find a replacement for it.

Oils: Schminke-Mussini. I thin them with mineral spirits, too. I bought myself a bunch of oils way back around 1990, after I had taken up the hobby, and decided that I would learn to paint flats, "just like the Germans do". I never did, and use the oils more now for weathering models. I do have a stash of flats, though...

Primers:
Tamiya's Fine Surface Primer in rattle-cans, white, light gray, or gray, depending on the subject
Rustoleum and Walmart's house brand automotive primers. They're a little coarser than Tamiya's Fine Surface Primer, but for most uses, they worked just fined, maybe with a touch of buffing as needed. But I ran into a technical problem with the cans of both brands-they would clog at the point where the nozzle plugged into the can. Nothing I tried could clear the jam, and I was left with half-filled cans I couldn't use.

Thinners:
Tamiya's X-20 acrylic thinner, for Tamiya acrylics (though lacquer thinner works well thinning the paint for airbrushing, and it enhances the matte effect of flat colors. Not for hand-brushing, of course)
Sunnyside low-oder mineral spirits (it was what was on the shelf at the hardware store)
Rustoleum lacquer thinner (it was what was on the shelf at AutoZone)
Generic isopropyl alcohol (sometimes, for thinning water-based acrylics in the airbrush)

Wet palette: Redgrass Games' Everlasting Wet Palette. I like the smaller footprint on the bench, compared to other brands, and the paper is very, very good. But I started out with a home-made wet palette, to get the hang of using it. I made it from a takeout container, a kitchen sponge, and brown packaging paper. I was happy with it, too, but eventually the plastic lid cracked, the paper would wear and shed fibers into the paint, and the sponge got funky very quickly, even though I would nuke it to kill any mold. But I recommend using a wet palette, if you use water-based acrylics. It helps keep the paints consistently thinned, and you can use it to save a bunch of colors from one session to the next, avoiding having to mix a fresh set of colors each time.

An additional tip...

I travel frequently to meetups and club meetings, and take my supplies with me. After various solutions, I've wound up using this Sears Craftsman toolbox, to carry most of my paints and supplies:



I also take this pine toolbox, with more paints and tools:



I got that for myself when I bought my oils 32 years ago. It was unfinished pine; I stained and sealed it. I got that and the oils at Dick Blick Art Supply, by the way.

To carry brushes, I got this caddy (an eBay find). I like the OD color:



I was looking for something to carry my brushes. I thought of a pencil box of some kind, but couldn't find a good one. I stumbled across cloth tool caddies, but they were all covered with flowers, etc. This is a no-nonsense type. When I came to the idea, I wondered why I hadn't thought of it before-many of my sets of wrenches, wood chisels, files, etc, in my garage are stored in roll-up caddies like these.

And finally, to keep brushes handy while painting, I use this old milk glass dental tool tray (thanks to Doctor Joe for this antique!):



and this paint brush rest, inspired by chopstick rests. I made it quickly out of a bit of Aves:



I carry a desk lamp in that tool kit, too. Everything I need for a working session.

Hope that all helps!

Prost!
Brad
 
Enamel by Humbrol. With Vallejo acrylic for metalwork.
Enamels dry slowly, which suits my shading method. But they're a dead loss for metallics.
 

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