Pegaso Comanchero & Romeo Bounty Killer

[Guy]

FIGURE REVIEWS
by Bob Knee, Jr.

COMANCHERO by Pegaso Models, 2006

BOUNTY KILLER by Romeo Models, 2006

Overall comments: I shall combine short comments on these pieces into one Commentary. Both are ideally designed. There is no stiff, mannequin-type of appearance associated with miniatures. In fact, the body ambience just seems to flow. Of course, form following substance, the sculpting is flawless on both figures with the seam lines so fine they are hard to find. But removal is easy; just use back lighting when removing. Both kits are done in white metal as are most Italian pieces. The so-called "54mm" is in fact 60mm in size to the top of the head in most instances. These measure 60mm, which makes them more desirable.

Assembly, etc. Assembly was very simple as the well-sculpted weapons, arms, etc., eased into place. Instant was used glue for all small sized assemblies, however, I like to use 2 part epoxy glue on arms, peg insertions and the like. I did not follow the box art, but painted both pieces using my own color scheme. I used a lot of complementary color relations. As a conclusion, I should like to recommend highly these two kits. And you will have fun. Keep your paint brush wet.

Bob

Bounty Hunter
54mm Romeo Models
sculpted by Gianni La Rocca
painter Bob Knee

Comenchero
54mm Pegaso white metal
sculpted by Gianni La Rocca
painted by Bob Knee

 

[Sambaman]

Very nice stuff! The weathering on the bottom of the bounty hunters duster is fantastic!

Jay H.
OKC

 

[Guy]

Thanks Jay.......Bob and I discussed the duster on the phone and both of us agreed that we had never seen a duster with a fur collar. Instead of filing off the fur, Bob decided to make the duster into a blanket copote with the traditional red and black stripe.

 

[bonehead]

More "hollywood" cowboys from Europe. I am sorry, but these figures while being very well done are completely ridiuculous from a historical point of view. Perhaps it is appropriate that they come from Italy as they are exactly the kind of idividuals that one would encounter in a "Spaghetti Western".

They get high marks for sculpting, but as historical models they are more clown-like than realistic.....

I believe these figures fit more appropriately into the fantasy category. It is unfortunate that they are marketed as "historical" figures. As such they utterly fail, in my opinion.

 

[KeithP]

Thanks for posting them, Guy. I have always liked Bob's work and avidly read his articles in HM.



Keith

 

[Sambaman]

QUOTE (bonehead2 @ Jul 14 2006, 11:31 AM)
More "hollywood" cowboys from Europe. I am sorry, but these figures while being very well done are completely ridiuculous from a historical point of view. Perhaps it is appropriate that they come from Italy as they are exactly the kind of idividuals that one would encounter in a "Spaghetti Western".

They get high marks for sculpting, but as historical models they are more clown-like than realistic.....

I believe these figures fit more appropriately into the fantasy category. It is unfortunate that they are marketed as "historical" figures. As such they utterly fail, in my opinion.


Mike, I certainly don't want to start a long diatribe about what is "right" or "wrong" here, but with that said, I think we need to consider the art in these pieces and that fact that they are well executed as far as painting technique goes. I appreciate the nod to the sculpotors tallent, but I don't think it is appropriate to ransack this post with your opinions about the historical correctness of the sculpts. Especially when it doesn't even include a smidge of a compliment or even a commnet as to Bob's efforts. I would be more than open to reading about that in a seperate post. I dare say interested, if it were to involve historical information that was new to me! Sorry for the rant Bob and Guy!

Jay H.
OKC

 

[bonehead]

Hello Jay,

My apologies! It was not my intent to denigrate the hard work of anybody here! In fact I did consider the "art" in these figures as my comments "very well done" and "high marks for sculpting" would seem to imply.

I may be a bit over-sensitive in this area, but western subject matter are one of my specialties. Over the years there has been a lot of myth making and downright confabulation that has gone on in the area of Western subjects. This kind of thing does history no favors.

Military miniatures are a discipline that prides itself on depicting subjects in a historically accurate manner. Certainly when I set out to spend many hours sculpting a model I want to make sure that it is as accurate as I can make it. I owe this to the people who buy and paint these figures. They expect this kind of attention to detail and I think they should!

So, I perhaps over-react when I see models that do not even attempt to be historically accurate, especially when they are in one of my favorite areas of history.

There is nothing "wrong" with fantasy figures. In fact I think they can be pretty cool! But I think the customer is done some small harm when fantasy figures are sold as "historical" miniatures.

This is the sum total of my beef. I am sorry if this offended anybody. I certainly meant no offense to anybody here.

My only intent was to let people know that these particular figures are more fiction than history. If I need to apologize for that as well, then I am truly sorry.

Mike

 

[sd0324]

oH Hell,this is nothing new to the figures out that cover our western period...look at Andrea figures ,blatantly "Hollywood" but still cool and beautifully done and a blast to paint....I do not really think the manufactures of these figures are really trying to imply they are" historically correct" but they are still really cool for what they are,I look forward to painting my "bounty hunter" from Romeo........gonna call it "West Texas tax collector" knowing that while maybe not historically correct , still cool. Just my 2 cents worth.

 

[sd0324]

In my next post I will try to use the word "cool" more often! Sorry

 

[Brad S]

Guy - thanks for posting these. Very nice figures indeed. BY the way, I did see a duster with a fur collar over at the Murdochs store last winter. But that would be representative of the present, who knows about the past.

I have to agree with Jay that we need to appreciate these figures for what they are in terms of the sculpting, fit, joy to paint, ect.. BUT, I agree with Mike in regards to these being more of a fantasy figure. I think that a majority of the figures have some artisitic license, liberties, added to them.

This is a subject for a different post, so I will stop there.

Brad Spelts

 

[garyjd]

Guys, There's a place for HISTOROCITY threads in the FEATURES section of Pf. Though I agree with all Mike has said they would probably be better suited to that part of the site. This way those that care about such things could read the comments there if they would like rather than feeling like they're getting a history lesson they do not care to get. ~Gary

 

[Bruno]

Hallo,
I have read the comments on the Pegaso figurines and I don't want to step into this discussion. First of all I want to thank Bob that he put this figurine in the forum, so that we all can have a impression on this figurine.

I think the question that rieses is another one and it had nothing to do with the Pegaso figurines discussed before. It is a general question:

Did we want to have HISTORICAL FIGURINES ore just FIGURINES? We are the customers and we have the power to take influence what producers are producing.

In Germany we had the tradition of HISTORICAL FIGURINES - to represent history and heritage. For this reason I'm on the opinion, that the question of the historical correctness of a figurine is absolutely a subject to be discussed when a figurine is presented.

If we stop to quote the historical correctness of a figurine and only quote the sculpting ability and the castin, the sculptor who spent a lot of time to make a proper research do this in vain!
Why in the futur he should do all this work to make a histrocal correct figurine???

As a consequence, our hobby will end in a kind of "Figurine Hollywood or Disneyland", French Napoleonic Soldiers with English jacket and Prussian trousers...

Everybody had to answer if he want this ore not?
I can unserstand Mike, when I rembember how I get angry when I see fantasy Indians, simply because companies and sculptors to be to lazy to do a proper research...
For this reason I had offerd Pegaso my support in historical reserach for their Indian figurines and they were happy for this. Another company didn't answerd to my offer...

I love fantasy figurines when this figurines are represented as "fantasy" but not as history.

On the other hand there is the problem, that some manufactures had already stopped to sent information on his new figurines to internet forums or to Figurine Magazines because they are afraid to get a bad critic. Waht this companies forgett ist the fact, that they than lack the public realtion if the figurine is good.

It is realy a problem, but I don't know if the way to solve this situation is to ban a critic on historical correctness into a special forum???

I think it would be good to bring together with the ciritc an advices how to correct the figurine if this is possible... Some fingurines are so wrong that you can't correct anything.

Perhapes I become now an outsider, but I still will give my critic on the historical correctness to Indian figurines also in the future.

At least, I'm sure, that the impact of suche critic is much over falued. If a painter likes a figurine he will by it, even it is fantasy.

I wrote this posting not to criticise anybody. I wrote this posting because I think to represent the people of the past as figurines in a correct way had also something to do with "RESPECT and HONOUR" to these people and we should not reduce ever<thing only to a business to make money...

Many greatings from Germany

Bruno

 

[Guy]

Originally posted by garyjd@Jul 16 2006, 07:15 PM
Guys, There's a place for HISTOROCITY threads in the FEATURES section of Pf. Though I agree with all Mike has said they would probably be better suited to that part of the site. This way those that care about such things could read the comments there if they would like rather than feeling like they're getting a history lesson they do not care to get. ~Gary

I have to agree Gary. We do have a forum especially for these kind of discussions and comments. It would be much better than to dominate a thread where another member is showing his work and opinions of the figures.



Historicity discussion forum

Thanks

 

[gilar]

Hi Guy
Congratulations!
Gilar

 

[gilar]

Sorry
Hi Bob
Congratulations
Gilar