please help with technique for washes.

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jim1215

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i have tryed to read as much info as possible regarding painting minatures . again i am new at painting 54mm 70 mm etc. i have long painted large plastic figures like aurora kits and so forth . i have totally threw myself into model minature painting and found a new love (and this site) which i cant thank everyone enough for there help . my question i have read a great start up on the new to figures thread about how to on your first figures , what is the diffrence between highlighting and hading compared to washes ? meaning the paint ratio and there usage .i see on shading and highlighting the consistency can go up 1:8 on each , where would the diffrence be compared to washes . any input would help . thanks again jimmy
 
What type of paints are you using Jimmy. The answer to the question above will vary according to what type of paint is used. Acrylic ~ enamels ~ oils
 
sorry guy, i will only use acrylics , vallejo and andrea , i have a friend who paints beautiful 54mm kits and uses acrylics paints from michaels and swears by them and there price , but with all the info i gathered i would only try vallejo or andrea . i am afraid to try oils or enamels with figures i did years ago like testors and so forth . thanks jimmy
 
Thanks Jimmy,

I can't help you much as I use enamels mostly with oils just for the flesh. I am sure someone on the planet can help you out.
 
Shading & highlighting

Hi Jim,
washes are a bit different, so I'll leave those to others for now.

Shading and highlights is to take a base colour for your figure, pink for example (See my China lady threads) and add some colours for lighter coloured high lights, darker colours for shadow effects.

Example, base colour kimono; Pink, plus white, for high lights.
For shadows, pink, plus red, to make a darker shade pink for shadows.

For greens, maybe add either yellow of white for highlights, a darker shade of green or a bit of blue to darken for shadows.

IF you search this thread, I asked something similar about complimentary colours. You can add shades and highlights with more then black or white!

this is pretty generic advice, but will help move you in the right direction.

Check the galleries, and you will often see how others shade their figures, give you an idea of how it can be done

One hint, feel free to post your work as you do it in stages, and ask for feed back. The help you receive along the way will really help, they are a good gang here.

cheers
 
Washes are uncontrolled and very uncertain to use. IMHO the only place for washes on 54mm and up would be in cases of extremely textured surfaces such as fur or hair, or perhaps a very fine raised pattern. Glazing on the other hand is very controlled and has a lot of application with acrylic; the difference is the amount of fluid involved, the glaze having little and the wash a lot.--
 
Hi Jim,

I don't use washes very much these days. They are a hangover from my days making AFV's but not very useful with figures, except perhaps very small scale (28mm etc).

As Steve says, washes are very difficult to control and tend to go all over the place, often with undesirable consequences. They also create a monotone effect, which flattens out your highlights and shadows. So does drybrushing, unless you're very careful. I don't drybrush or wash figures any more.

I have found the best results for shading and highlighting with acrylics are achieved when you build up the effect (shadow or highlight) using a number of very thin applications of very dilute colour (a water to paint ration of 10:1) and progressively work the paint into smaller and smaller areas. It's more like staining than washing.

By applying a series of contolled applications of very thin highlight colour you will gradually build up the highlights, and you can create a smoothand subtle transition between your basic colour and your highlight colour. To create additional contrast within your highlights, you can add a few extra applications to some areas to really boost the colour and create a subtle variation.

My suggestion is to use a very fine 0 size round tip brush, and wipe off most of the excess paint and water and try dabbing the tip of the brush onto the surface so it leaves a small drop of dilute paint on the surface. Then wipe the brush dry and start to spread the paint over the area you want to cover.

It's painstaking and requires a great deal of patience, but you will find it produces amazing results.

Not only that, you will avoid the problem of paint building up on the surface and creating unwanted texture and brush marks, which tends to occur when you apply too much paint.

Another tip is to use distilled water rather than water from your tap, which contains iron and lead and lots of nasties that will end up in your paint mix and could effect the quality of your work. Distilled water is pure and contains no nasties.

I hope this helps.
 
Hi Jim,

long time ago shading was a wash, higlighting was drybrushing, but painting techniques had evolved to enplacing hl and sh individualy, layer by layer to places where you decide to put them, not where the paint flows by itself, or the releief on the figure pulls out the paint from the brush, this way you have a better control over your work, eg paint hl or sh where there is no sculpted detail - kind of 'painting details in', tricking the eye, or, creating effect of texture, shine (eg lether, silk), setting a zenital light source, etc, etc. This is similar to creating light/shadow effect in 2D (like paintings), the figure is 3D, but you create extra detail on a flat, or badly detailed part or exaggerate it.

The little preactical advise I can give you is that wash in the classical meaning to brush on dilluted paint, running all over your figure, creating pools, is really the past (especially as the fine pigment in acrylics will gather around the edges of the pools).
-you can use it in a moderate way though, when your base colours are painted, applying a thin wash can guide you to see recessed areas, details, where you later apply your shadows.
-Clavin Tan describes using it for pre-shading his figures, applying before the base coat, as acrylics are transparent, dark washes help you again with the shadows.
-another use I found of it is to modify colours, once I painted a jacket grey greenish colour, higlighted with pale blue and it just looked too blue, applied a few, light, green washes and it changed the colour as I wanted and gave an interesting depth, modified shadows, base and higlights at once. But when I do this a get most of the excess out of the brush, so it's not running, or is it a glaze then?!

Hope this helps somewhat
Denes
 
Steve said:
Washes are uncontrolled and very uncertain to use. IMHO the only place for washes on 54mm and up would be in cases of extremely textured surfaces such as fur or hair, or perhaps a very fine raised pattern.
Ditto.

Einion
 
I'm a little surprised that everone seems so down on washes. They can be hard to control, but they can be controlled with practice, IMHO. I don't use them much, but they have their uses. Here are some general guidlines on mixing ratios. These are a place to start, and you will undoubtedly find your own mixutres.

Basic Formulas: base coat 1:1; layering: 2:1; wash: 5:1; glaze: 10:1 (fist # is water/thinner).

Also keep in mind that you can wash acrylics with a medium besides water. Try alcohol or Future (acrylic floor wax).

Play around with these and good luck.
 
PJ Deluhery said:
I'm a little surprised that everone seems so down on washes.
A true wash is about both fluidity and how it's applied; the paint being watered down a lot isn't necessarily a wash, which floods an area and settles where it settles.

Einion
 
everyone thank you so much for your input and help / ive been redaing alot of washes and i tend to stay with the highlighting and shading which seems to be the norm and most popular / by building up to my desired effect , will post some pics soon . thanks jimmy
 
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