Polish Lancer colours

[arj]

Mat,
Years ago, Humbrol used to have a Polish Crimson in their 'Authentics' range, which was more or less spot-on. Sadly, the range was deleted quite a while ago.
Just recently, they have extended their standard range with quite a few new colours.
One of these, No. 58 (Magenta, matt) is somewhat similar to the old 'Polish Crimson'. I bought a tin recently.
I know you've stated that magenta was too purple and, if you look on the Humbrol website, the colour shows up as lilac, but for £1.30 it might be worth a look.

Andrew

 

[MarquisMini]

Andrew, I just bought Humbrol acrylic crimson 2 days ago, I have not used humbrol since I was a kid, and I think they wore enamels back then.
I am supposed to receive the bottle in a couple days.
I will take a pic of the pot as soon as I have it in my hands.
another brand that I just remembered is citadel (GW) Khorne red, it s very close to crimson, very.
jo Sonja's have a crimson tube as well, once I get home I will take pics of these colors.
cheers

 

[arj]

Andrew, I just bought Humbrol acrylic crimson 2 days ago, I have not used humbrol since I was a kid, and I think they wore enamels back then.
I am supposed to receive the bottle in a couple days.
I will take a pic of the pot as soon as I have it in my hands.
another brand that I just remembered is citadel (GW) Khorne red, it s very close to crimson, very.
jo Sonja's have a crimson tube as well, once I get home I will take pics of these colors.
cheers

Just for clarification, the tin I bought is matt enamel. I haven't tried it yet, but will give it a go this weekend.
Andrew

 

[Mat Lambert]

Mat,
Years ago, Humbrol used to have a Polish Crimson in their 'Authentics' range, which was more or less spot-on. Sadly, the range was deleted quite a while ago.
Just recently, they have extended their standard range with quite a few new colours.
One of these, No. 58 (Magenta, matt) is somewhat similar to the old 'Polish Crimson'. I bought a tin recently.
I know you've stated that magenta was too purple and, if you look on the Humbrol website, the colour shows up as lilac, but for £1.30 it might be worth a look.

Andrew

Andrew, after I started this thread I looked in my old enamels I had when I was a kid and found an unopened pot of the humbrol polish crimson you mention. Think they are quite sought after now even though old. I didn't try it as I wasn't sure how 'authentic' it would be and I am using acrylics anyway. Bit occupied this weekend but I'll try and do a colour swatch test with the paints I have an upload here.
Thanks for contributing to this thread again (marquis mini - you too) - it's never too late and all info is ever useful. As is often the way, I didn't really get to the paint stage of my lancer but have since added another to the stash, so I'll be needing the colour refs still and this topic is good to have on record.
Cheers
Mat

 

[Nap]

Missed this first time round ......

Noted colur mixes and interesting comments

Great stuff folks as I do have a couple of Lancer busts!

Nap

 

[MarquisMini]

Here's my arsenal of crimson shades....

 

[Ron Tamburrini]

Got to think there are as many shades of red as there are green " maybe that's because they are complementary colours"
Which crimson is right ? probably several as uniform replenishment came from several depots and dyes would vary from region to region .
Safe bet is to go with the rousolette plates ,not many will argue them

 

[Ron Tamburrini]

This might help

I think I have a picture somewhere of an original capzka taken at Abbotsford House,
part of the collection of Sir Walter Scott's along with a Sabre of the Chassuers of the Garde

Will try and search it out

 

[MarquisMini]

I agree with you Ron, i think at the end of the day we all have a different perception of what color is.
I have tried several figures in crimson and after many mishaps i realized that the "crimson" color in such small scales might seen as just Red while in larger surface areas or objects seems a real pinkish red which to me is crimson.
I will say this, once you find a color you are haply with, just use it regardless if in other people think otherwise.
I also looked at some pictures of real polish uniforms of that era and unfortunately they faded with time.
That picture Ron posted looks awesome and it is a great reference.
Cheers

 

[Jaybo]

I agree generally with Daniel. Years ago at a Napoleonic convention in Memphis the late, great Col. John Elting talked to me about Napoleonic dye colors. One must remember that there were no modern, artificial color fast dyes back then. The dye colors were actually vegetable-based dyes for the most part. Hence, there was not much uniformity in the colors of the uniforms! Col. Elting related how they actually achieved Dragoon green. First, they dyed the coat yellow then blue to achieve the 'green' shade. Weather and the sun would wreck havoc with such a process. So based on the Colonel's research, it is problematic to be too dogmatic when comes to the exact shade of a particular color. Which is NOT to say that anything goes. Currently, I'm working on a trooper of the 5eme hussards of 1806. There is a great discussion (in French) on which shade is the correct one for 'bleu ciel fonce' (dark sky blue) at: http://lesapn.forumactif.fr/discussions-generales-85/le-5-eme-hussard-t5069.htm.

 

[Ron Tamburrini]

I agree generally with Daniel. Years ago at a Napoleonic convention in Memphis the late, great Col. John Elting talked to me about Napoleonic dye colors. One must remember that there were no modern, artificial color fast dyes back then. The dye colors were actually vegetable-based dyes for the most part. Hence, there was not much uniformity in the colors of the uniforms! Col. Elting related how they actually achieved Dragoon green. First, they dyed the coat yellow then blue to achieve the 'green' shade. Weather and the sun would wreck havoc with such a process. So based on the Colonel's research, it is problematic to be too dogmatic when comes to the exact shade of a particular color. Which is NOT to say that anything goes. Currently, I'm working on a trooper of the 5eme hussards of 1806. There is a great discussion (in French) on which shade is the correct one for 'bleu ciel fonce' (dark sky blue) at: http://lesapn.forumactif.fr/discussions-generales-85/le-5-eme-hussard-t5069.htm.

Wish this link was in english

 

[arj]

As promised, I've had a tinker with the new Humbrol enamel No. 58 (Magenta, matt)



The photo shows it a little darker than it actually is. I've also showed the effect of adding a couple of the other Humbrol reds at around 50/50.

Cheers,
Andrew

 

[Ron Tamburrini]

As promised, I've had a tinker with the new Humbrol enamel No. 58 (Magenta, matt)

View attachment 183362

The photo shows it a little darker than it actually is. I've also showed the effect of adding a couple of the other Humbrol reds at around 50/50.

Cheers,
Andrew

You can hit this colour with oils using crimson lake and bright red , bring it up a bit more by adding more red and even a tiny tad of white . I know you are an acrylic guy but for red hues and crimson they are the bee's knees
Im sure humbrol used to do a crimson in their railway range but it would dry with a sheen

 

[MarquisMini]

I cant't wait for my humbrol acrylic crimson to arrive!.
Anyhow, here's a pic of a 60mm figure and a 40mm figure i am working on.
I have used exaclty the same color mix on both.
On the larger figure leans more towards magenta, on the smaller makes it seems more red.

 

[MarquisMini]

As jaybo said, there is a whole discussion on sky blue ,especially in French uniforms.
As Frenchies wore fancier when it come to uniforms, there are a lot of mistaken info about the true shade of colors on those uniforms and facings.
They had dark sky blue and light sky blue depending on the regiments (generally foreign Regiments in French service).
Another great cor for discussion is the so called "Aurore" which is an orange color shy of being yellow.

 

[Ron Tamburrini]

As jaybo said, there is a whole discussion on sky blue ,especially in French uniforms.
As Frenchies wore fancier when it come to uniforms, there are a lot of mistaken info about the true shade of colors on those uniforms and facings.
They had dark sky blue and light sky blue depending on the regiments (generally foreign Regiments in French service).
Another great cor for discussion is the so called "Aurore" which is an orange color shy of being yellow.

You want Aurore! here it is Shabraque trim , Museum Invalides

French hussar blue Invalides

 

[Jaybo]

Hi Ron,
As far as the French website goes, just use a translation engine on your computer. I can read French fairly well but I will often do this to speed things along. By the way, that hussar dolman is just one of the various light blues that the French used as alluded to by Daniel.

 

[Ron Tamburrini]

Hi Ron,
As far as the French website goes, just use a translation engine on your computer. I can read French fairly well but I will often do this to speed things along. By the way, that hussar dolman is just one of the various light blues that the French used as alluded to by Daniel.

I know it is just one of the blues ,but a fine example considering its age

 

[MarquisMini]

That is a great reference pic Ron.
Nothing better than pics of actual uniforms.
This is a tipical example of the 1776 Saintonge reg. Uniform
The specify bleu celeste fonce and Aurore facings.
You will read many sources a d the info is very vague and uncertain when it comes to the colors.
I think the crimson it is the hardest to achieve because there are so many visions of what crimson should be.

 

[Ron Tamburrini]

I am painting crimson at this very moment , HLI officer sash napoleonic / Crimson lake and bright red