Problem with oil...

[Taiko]

Hallo my friends. I have a problem with oils. I´m painting Montezuma now. I paint the base skin with Valleyo colour. Then I use the oil color but it doesn´t work. The skin isn´t smooth. There are micro-elements and it isn´t nice... You can see that on the right face..
Can you help my....
Thank you very much
I begin paint new figure...with the helmet on the face...

 

[ArturM]

Hi,
propably base was too mat. Try to add more water to Vallejo paint. Base should be satin (not mat or gloss).
Also I recomend you Talens oil paints from Rembrandt serie - with very fine pigments.

regards
Artur

 

[megroot]

Very difficult to see what is happend.
I think that your basecolour wasn't dry.
Another possibility is that you let the oil soak out of the paint. Then without a medium (white spirit for instance) you paint the figure. Put you paint only with the pigment.
Can you tell us exactly what you did and how......

Marc

 

[Taiko]

Hi Artur, I where in Ingolstadt and see the workshop from Balloni and Pasquali. They say that the basecout must be a matt. It does not matter if Humbrol or Valleyo. Important is matt. Than I use for basecout Valleyo with water.

Hi Megroot,
I paint the basecout and than the figure stay 4-6 days before I start with oils, there isn´t problem. I thind the problem is in oil. I think I must let the oil soak out of the paint...only pigment...I will try it...

 

[Einion]

Hi Artur, I where in Ingolstadt and see the workshop from Balloni and Pasquali. They say that the basecout must be a matt. It does not matter if Humbrol or Valleyo. Important is matt.

Yes, most figure painters insist that the basecoat or primer should be quite matt.

It's hard to be sure what the problem is from these photos (although the graininess is not that bad ) The oil paint you're using might just be a little gritty, some are, but if the problem occurs with any colour it could be the primer layer was a little grainy and only with the oil coats did it become easily visible.

Einion

 

[vergilius]

like many said ; it"s hard to say. Was the figure itself smooth? did it occur after painting the base colour or after the oils?

 

[Tommi]

That is a very strange texture on the surface, looks like the underoat or primer has left some kind of mottled effect, was this visible befor the oil was applied?

Tommi

 

[Diegoff]

Judging by the pic, I would say that the problem is that the primer has left this grainy surface, but not sure...

 

[Taiko]

Thank you my friends for your sugestions. I think there was two mistakes. I badly mix the colour in the botle, the color was not matt. And I don´t let the oil soak out of the paint. The figure is clean and ready for primer....I hope the second paint will be better....
Here is the base for Montezuma II...

 

[theseeker]

Taiko,

Very nice base!
I have had a similar problem before and it was due to bad primer.

 

[Excatlon]

Hi

before you didn't have this problems with enamels??

best regards

 

[renarts]

Did you paint the primer on with a brush or did you spray it?
I'm at a loss as to why it may have granulated if you brushed it on, but if you sprayed it, your source may be too far away from the surface allowing the atomized particles of paint to dry before they hit the surface. The result is this granulated finish. Moving a little closer or a tad more thinner will smooth out the surface allowing the atomized particles to remain wet till they touch the surface to be primed, surface tension on the droplet break and lay flat on the object.

 

[brian]

I'm almost certain that it's not the oil paint.I'd put my money on the theory that you primed the figure with a spray can, which if not applied right will leave you with a rough texture ,which underpainting with acrylics or enamels will not cover the roughness.If you can't get a smooth surface with the sprayed primer ,prime your figure with Humbrol Grey number 1 primer, thinned down with spirit and applied thinly using about 3 coats allowing to dry between each coat.I personnally don't soak out the oils when i'm painting flesh.
Will be smooth as a babys bum!!!
Brian

 

[blabsy]

Hi,
I think Brian has hit the nail on the head,for a very long time now I've used all medums and oils more often, for the face as you have,but its prep if its a metal casting some times these have a powder left in the serface,if not cleaned out before painting it will show up,and resin if not de-gased in casting this will be porus.
Spray paint primer are ok'ish,air brush is better,but being pain I still use a paint brush,its more control,over how mutch and where the paint goes!
Best Regards
Paul

 

[IIICorps]

...I'd put my money on the theory that you primed the figure with a spray can, which if not applied right will leave you with a rough texture...

Grain in the primer is not limited to rattle cans. You can make the same mistake with an airbrush. Ask me how I know.

 

[Einion]

Grain in the primer is not limited to rattle cans. You can make the same mistake with an airbrush. Ask me how I know.

Hey, every airbrush user has had this happen to them at least once!

Einion