Question on Black for Einion or whoever.

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John Bowery

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I notice in Danilo's book that he uses "Ivory black" I have "Mars black", "Lamp black" and "Blue black" I know the properties of the Blue black. So what is the difference between the other blacks since they are all Windsor Newton Colours. This has finally triggered my inquisitiveness.
Thanks
John
 
Hi John, Ivory Black is the marketing name for Bone Black now, made from charred animal bones - Ivory Black sounds so much better than Bone Black doesn't it? Genuine Ivory Black used to be made from ivory of course (largely scraps from the carving industry) but thankfully no longer.

Mars Black is an iron oxide pigment; Lamp Black is "nearly pure amorphous carbon", basically soot.

Bone Black is typically a little weaker than other blacks, as well as often having a slightly different colour in tint and undercolour but the differences are often slight, so slight that if you have one black it's often enough since you can always add a dot of this or that to push colour in any given direction. For example, Lamp Black + a touch of umber, and a light hand, would be close enough to many 'Ivory Black' paints to be considered interchangeable.

Blue Black is a commercial mixture: a blend of PB29 and PBk9, French Ultramarine and Bone Black (essentially a darker version of Payne's Grey).

magister militum said:
Ivory black is the "blackest" of all the blacks and also has the best covering power.
Actually the blackest black would typically be Carbon Black or Lamp Black, which are both nearly pure carbon. Bone Black is very slightly lighter in value.

And generally the best covering power will be found with Mars Black because it's opaque, although this is also a property of pigment levels so it varies a bit from brand to brand.

Einion
 
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I know that each time I read a posting by Einion, I pick up extra tidbits (and to share the credit, from the likes of Menelay, Guy, T50, Jay, Anders, David mitchell, amongst many, many others), so with the senior gentlemen so willing to share, could we see a future when there might be brains in jars, all hooked up to a computer, so their experince and knoweldge will live on, and on, and on.......

I'll leace the pickling jokes to others.....

all in good, dry, respectful Aussie humour...:D:D;);):D:D


cheers
 
Ah thanks for the clarification Einion. Ivory Black is the only black I use in figure painting. Are there any applications you can think of where it would be worth it for me to pick up other blacks?
 
Honestly, not really. Even if you used black a lot (which most of us don't I imagine) one can be enough, as it was for master painters historically.

But if you have any problem with blacks drying glossy and you'd like one that dries more consistently matt then Mars Black might be worth a shot, particularly from a good brand where there'll be a high pigment load. It's a cheap pigment so it's not an expensive colour from the higher-end brands.

Einion
 
Einion,
Thank you so much for such a great answer to my question. You are a wealth of information and I would love to have you lecture at one of the Figure shows. I am a small amount wiser and as "Spock" would say, "Live long and Prosper."
Thank you,
Cheers
John
 
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