Completed Critique Reinhard Tristan Eugen Heydrich

[gothicgeek]

Nicely hi-jacked thread!

Origin?

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[housecarl]

I wasn't going to comment, as everyone is having so much fun. I alway thought it was a decent sculpt, along with the rest of the ghouls that make up the series. But hey, what do I know? The painting is well done, as for the star, a tad insensitive perhaps.
Carl.

 

[Johan]

I'm still curious to know whether you find a figure showing a big Red Star as "offensive" as one showing a Swastika (for the reasons stated in my last post)

If it was a similarly badly sculpted Tom-of-Finland type showing a big red star displayed in a similar insulting context ? Sure.

How would you feel about a figure of, say, an Argentinian soldier shouting "Malvinas Argentinas !" and trampling the Union Jack ?

My point is : it's my personal opinion that I should not try to incorporate such "messages" in the displaying of the miniatures that I paint. I think a miniature figure of a person should be more something "introspective", I mean, I try to look "in" to a figure of a personality, what kind of a man was he really ? .. Instead of using the miniature to put out negative "messages" towards certain "groups" of people.

 

[Ron Tamburrini]

Got to say guys , this little melee brightened up another very wet horrible stormy dreich night in Scotland.


There are a great many SS figures on the market I suppose what makes them so popular are the uniforms, not as symbols but they did look smart even on Herr Flick in allo allo, but not going to get into the rights or wrongs here it
is up to the individual to pick his subject matter, you could pick holes in just about every army through the ages.

Ron

 

[Johan]

I suppose what makes them so popular are the uniforms, not as symbols but they did look smart even on Herr Flick in allo allo

You're absolutely right about that, the uniforms were designed by Hugo Boss the well known fashion designer. The success of Nazism was all about propaganda and keeping up appearances, they were exceptionally good at that. Good looks was part of the propaganda and the lies. It's fascinating how they could make a whole people swallow and believe their crap - fe. no German ever had a VW Beetle, and there was no Autobahn where the Beetles rode unless a stretch of road near the Wolfsburg factory. They showed images of mobile Panzer Divisionen to the people but a large part of their army still used horse drawn carts. And so on ...

Enjoy your rainy evening there in Scotland !

 

[Babelfish]

If it was a similarly badly sculpted Tom-of-Finland type showing a big red star displayed in a similar insulting context? Sure.

Who is this "Tom-Of-Finland" bloke you keep banging on about? Have to say I've never heard of him.

And "insulting context"? There goes that jerking knee again Johan! Once again you're making assumptions as to the motive behind the piece. For all you know it could be an attempt by the painter/client to symbolise the inhumanity of Heydrich and the Nazi regime. A "shock piece", if you will. Like the ones I saw in Rastatt back in the 80s. We just don't know either way. So without knowing, we shouldn't pass judgement.

How would you feel about a figure of, say, an Argentinian soldier shouting "Malvinas Argentinas !" and trampling the Union Jack ?

Honestly? It isn't something I'd lose any sleep over.

My point is : it's my personal opinion that I should not try to incorporate such "messages" in the displaying of the miniatures that I paint. I think a miniature figure of a person should be more something "introspective", I mean, I try to look "in" to a figure of a personality, what kind of a man was he really ? .. Instead of using the miniature to put out negative "messages" towards certain "groups" of people.

So Heydrich playing the violin would be OK then? (He was a talented violinist apparently).

- Steve

 

[Johan]

He was a talented violinist apparently

and also the talented architect of the plan for the deportation and transporting of 11 million Jews from every country in Europe to be worked to death or killed outright in concentration camps : see his role at the infamous Wannsee conference on that matter.

Steve, I propose to continue this discussion via personal message, if you wish to continue it. This forum is not for history lessons.

 

[Babelfish]

and also the talented architect of the plan for the deportation and transporting of 11 million Jews from every country in Europe to be worked to death or killed outright in concentration camps : see his role at the infamous Wannsee conference on that matter.

Common knowledge. I think we all know that already.

But you still haven't told us who Tom-Of-Finland is ...

- Steve

 

[Johan]

But you still haven't told us who Tom-Of-Finland is ...

according to some sources, Heydrich was also the arch type of what is usually depicted by the Finnish illustrator "Tom-of-Finland". Do a google on Tom of Finland if you want to find out.

 

[Babelfish]

according to some sources, Heydrich was also the arch type of what is usually depicted by the Finnish illustrator "Tom-of-Finland". Do a google on Tom of Finland if you want to find out.

Okay Johann, duly googled ....

"The legendary homoerotic works of Tom of Finland have become iconic stereotypes of masculine gay men ..."

.... and I'll take your word for it .

- Steve

 

[Clarence1]

Wow, all that discussion for a painted figure!!!

 

[Richie]

Wow, all that discussion for a painted figure!!!

Totally agree and it looks nowt like Anton Diffring!sorry monkey hanger humour could not resist

 

[Johan Kees]

Pedro

Bringing the thread back to its origins I only can say that you did an extremely good job on the black colour of the uniform with the subtle highlighting and shading.

And after some hesitation I can only add that I wished that everyone would invest their time in trying to paint as good as you instead of boring us to death with political correct crap which is completely out of place here.

My two cents...

Johan

 

[Colin_Fraser]

And that is why you are in charge ! A picture that says everything.

BTW - my two cents is that the base is too much but probably not mean spirited and the figure looks nothing like Heydrich (thankfully as the real guy was way scarier).

Colin