Roman Cavalry Officer

[Zlobov*S]

Good afternoon are some photos of modelling of the Roman soldier. Manufacturing scales has peeped at MAB.
The figure has turned out really as the Machine of war.
Yours faithfully, Sergey.

 

[Black Army]

Sergey you must open a school and I want to learn there!
I like the figure as always.

Balázs

 

[dinovision79]

Hi Sergei,

excellent figure both in details and dynamics! Not excellent, perfect!!!

Denes

 

[dimgall]

nice work Sergey!!!with what tool do you cut the lead foil to same length pieces for the armour?

 

[Guy]

Fantastic sculpting Sergey.

 

[rej]

Awesome as always!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ray

 

[Bad91Fellow]

as always unbelievable good!

 

[megroot]

Excellent figure.
Another cashmaker for Seil models

marc

 

[Marcel]

Excellent work, and very nice pose of the figure!

 

[Zlobov*S]

Dear Balázs thanks! I too want to study! Therefore is Planet Figure and consequently I have opened site ModelSculpt to study and see other works of the colleagues!
Denes - Dim - Guy - Ray - Lennart - Marc - Marcel - thanks friends!

These photos, only process - not a ready figure. Photos of ready 100 figures have disappeared at reinstallation Windows.
Dim - armor I peeped this process of manufacturing in sbs Maurizio Bruno:

http://www.planetfigure.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20745

Thanks, for your responses!

 

[dario966]

hello
nice sculpting, action and expression etc
!But this piece is absolutely a complete fantasy piece, not a Roman Cavalry Officer
The elements as shown - sword, shield, crest on his helmet, lorica etc - in this combination do not work as to accuracy nor even remotely resemble Roman Cavalry - do peruse romanarmy.com forum - they got all the answers.
Arguably this could be a very nice piece if these errors had been corrected - it would be a shame to leave him as he is now..

 

[Zlobov*S]

dario 966 speaks:
... " absolutely a complete fantasy piece, not a Roman Cavalry Officer "...
And
... " it would be a shame to leave him as he is now.. "...

Are very "kind" words, only the request for dario966 - leave for itself an empty word "fantasy" and "shame"!!!
You speak much, but do{make} nothing, you know all likely !?

I always am proud of the work and work.
Also I read the historical literature much and I find repeated acknowledgement{confirmation} of all fragments from various sources. Also always I compare and I consult with experts. Many various books and various authors are necessary to read for the beginning to mould and model. Also after collecting and check of the information it is necessary to draw and count all the sizes long for scale - and only after that I start modelling.

 

[dario966]

well, Sergiey
how about you look at the orignials and some very precise works like mr Bishop's Roman Military Equipment or Roman Cavary Equipment by Dixon, and one Osprey - out of series of 3 - on Roman MIlitary Costume by Graham Sumner (I can send you a copy of plates with pertinent description via email- no problemo)
As shown your books are rather popular (Wsadniki Wojny - got that one or outdated - like that old Osprey Roman Army book, even Conolly is a bit outdated on some late Empire stuff), so these do get confused
Also the plates from St Petersburg Collection are truly bueatiful reconstructions of the Roman Army but not ture reference materials per se.

please fill free to look at these samples and make your mind whether your 'cavalry officer' is indeed an example of 3rd century Roman cavalry officer.

you have to scroll down to find the pertinent items:

here the Roman Cavalry spatha
http://www.romancoins.info/MilitaryEquipment-Attack.html

Helmets - there is a table with dates and surviving examples
http://www.romancoins.info/MilitaryEquipment-Helmet.html

shields - oval for cavalry, but 3rd century rather lacking - suriving exmaples are from Dura Europos or art from mosiacs etc, but your shield is too small and there are problems with the way he is holding the shield etc - look at another Osprey by Ros Cowan- Imperial Roman Legionary 161-284, as it has some nice exmples of those Europos Shields - also I could send you images etc

Lorica squamata
http://www.romancoins.info/MilitaryEquipment-Body-Armour.html#BodyArmour
but coudl have been plumata http://www.romanarmy.com/rat/viewtopic.php?t=19132&highlight=squamata

trousers - 3rd century is the beginig of the long throusers in Roman Army - like those from Thorseberg - and even the iconography form the Eastern part of the Empire shows long pants put inside military boots or no long pants but fascia crurales - puttees/leg bindings

Boots - very important - with spurs etc - Dura Europos is very important here

as to your historical acuracy - well, not so good all the time - eg Polish Winged Hussar for Seil or your choice to show Indian warriors' horses witrh flying tails when they (Cheyenne, Sioux, Crow etc) tied their horses' tails for war etc - but nobody is perfect, so do not feel ofended please, just friendly correction


and per my work - do I need to show work to post? I think not - but as per my own work I am mostly an illustrator and sculpt only for fun from clay etc, but love to look at miniatures and the whole process etc

 

[jjgurk]

Fantastic piece, Sergey.

John

 

[Guy]

Good references Sergey. I trust your references as I have some of the same. Excellent work.

 

[Zlobov*S]

John - thanks!
Guy - thanks, I also respect many the present{true} and deserved historians, grandiose work of collectives of archeologists and the historical literature!


dario966 -
- " mr Bishop's Roman Military Equipment " - for you a shame!?
" Roman Cavary Equipment by Dixon " - also a shame!?
"Osprey" and " Roman MIlitary Costume by Graham Sumner " - also the bad and out-of-date information!?
" St Petersburg Collection " - a shame!?
And dear historian in world Conolly also for you a shame!?
And the historical directory " Wsadniki Wojny " - also for dario966 a shame!?
..............
-? (Discomfiture). Likely it is necessary will get rid of all world{global} literature and to read only dario966!?

I think there is no necessity to continue conversation.

Your references in the Internet - are at all.
You love a new sight at a history from the Internet? Also you do not respect recognized in the world proceedings of historians?
Then for you a beautiful dress from the fresh book (А) and a fine museum piece from the Internet (В). It will be very beautiful illustration from dario966 for Red Sonya or Xena.
"....so do not feel ofended please, just friendly correction..."

 

[dario966]

hey master Sergey,
I see you did not do read or translate carefuly my words - I think the translation services you are using led you into the bushes of confusion, so to speak...

I said in my post:
"you [need to] look at the orignials and some very precise works like mr Bishop's Roman Military Equipment or Roman Cavary Equipment by Dixon, and one Osprey - out of series of 3 - on Roman MIlitary Costume by Graham Sumner"

what it means that these cited works are the best semi-popular sources for the Roman 3rd century AD cavalry ! - there is also the much more detailed and very specialised work - Dura Europos Report of couple years ago - which I have as well
St OPetersburg collecion images are not shamefull just fancy a bit outlandish, but still very beautiful, and until mr. Sumner's artwork far better what Osprey had produced. Vsadniki - I have no comment on the text as it is very popular - but the illustration -they are a quite a bit below the Osprey Roman titles.

As per internet - in this case the photos of the orignals - it beats going to all the musuems that are located around the world...

as I think you have troubles with your English translation then I am not going to take any offense to your little insults and ad personam fallacious reasoning; it is most likely you got lost in translation - and by the way, I am a lawyer and historian, and because of my profession I do try to conduct careful research before I say something about history etc.

so be honest with yourself and this forum - do translate my post again and then perhaps your response might be much different - although I do have a strong suspition that it would not be the case .

and by the way, I am not biased against the Russians although they did kill quite a bit of my immediate ancestors during last 250 years.
Dario
ps
I have been and still am a great admirer of you art and on this forum I have advocated your lessons in horse sculpting from chen-la.com forum etc, so there is no personal issue here,
I am just disputing here the exercise of judgement and iknowledge, purely on just the facts and approaches as shown, regarding this miniature's historical subject matter - Roman Cavalry Officer of 3rd century AD. If it is not appreciated then it is not a problem

anyway, the Medrom forum's Doc is the best man to ask about this project - he is a Roman military specialist.. (I just asked him about that today) or throw it to the people of the romanarmy.com forum - they are the greatest - and they will help, using the internet mind you!

 

[Guy]

and by the way, I am not biased against the Russians although they did kill quite a bit of my immediate ancestors during last 250 years.
Dario

Its comments like the above quote that cause me to loose all respect for any comment you make Dario. Its comments like the above that cause flame wars and stir up trouble on the forums.

Because you have references that show another item does not make it ironclad....in granite, that it is correct. I have some English versions of Sergey's references.........because of what you say....do I just throw them away.......I think not.

Frankly, I question anything you say after the remark above about heritage.

Stir up trouble on another forum.......we don't want it here.

 

[tonydawe]

Hear hear...well said Guy.

 

[Zlobov*S]

It is very a pity, that discussion of a figure has developed from words "fantasy" and "shame" into a national theme.


I also finish the new project the Russian national hero " Kulikovo fight 1380 ", he/she is orthodox soldier - monk Peresvet the victim at the first o'clock of fight for Russia in single combat with the Mongolian soldier.
Very much I hope that my new Russian and orthodox hero will not wake " a storm in desert " or a tornado national conflicts.

It is the project it is authorized to show?

I do not say goodbye, yours faithfully and hot greetings from Russia.