Colin_Fraser
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Saw this posted on WAF. Looks interesting although some of the intro comments are inauspicious.
What do you think Monkey boy (aka Richie)?
Colin
What do you think Monkey boy (aka Richie)?
Colin
Secrets if the Dead - Isandhlwana
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This was brilliant and I watched as I was sculpting.
I met Ian last year as I sculpt for a company he does a lot of research for, it must have blown him away to think one of his family was there.
Brilliant, I did hear after this Queen Victoria stopped young lads, ie the boy buglers and musicians going to war, she was disgusted at how the bodies had been treated, but was actually in respect from the Zulus eyes.
Being a former boy bugler then up to pension it has always fascinated me.
We lost many RM boys as did other regiments still for years later but I think the innocence comes through to many and is very poignant.
Great to meet Richie last week, a man who knows his history
Thank you for showing this, I am in a 24th and Zulu frame of mind.
Best wishes
Gra
I met Ian last year as I sculpt for a company he does a lot of research for, it must have blown him away to think one of his family was there.
Brilliant, I did hear after this Queen Victoria stopped young lads, ie the boy buglers and musicians going to war, she was disgusted at how the bodies had been treated, but was actually in respect from the Zulus eyes.
Being a former boy bugler then up to pension it has always fascinated me.
We lost many RM boys as did other regiments still for years later but I think the innocence comes through to many and is very poignant.
Great to meet Richie last week, a man who knows his history
Thank you for showing this, I am in a 24th and Zulu frame of mind.
Best wishes
Gra
Colin_Fraser
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Thanks for posting Colin, I went through another 3 documentaries on YouTube after you got me in the frame of mind
A real community
Best wishes mate
Gra
No worries Gra. There are tons of great BBC and other UK docs on there that we overseas residents never get to see on regular TV. Real player downloader is a godsend.
Colin
Richie
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Hi Colin,
Thanks for posting. The Monkey Boy is more than happy. It has always wrongly been seen as a great British defeat rather than a great Zulu victory which it was. It's nice to see some modern battlefield archeology applied and helping to unlock some of the myth's on that day and more accurately pinpointing the actual postions of the forward line. As this shows it was not one thing but a combination of things at critical times that made this such an epic battle.
The Zulu induna Ntshingwayo Khoza certainly out planned the British military machine on that day.
One of the other key factors on this day was, the British had the Zulu chest pinned down in the long flaying grass and donga's. Then an old chief Mkhosana kaMvundlana of the Biyela, an officer of the uKhandempemvu, had reached his men shortly before the British withdrawal, when they were pinned down under fire in a series of dongas at the foot of the escarpment. Dressed in all his ceremonial finery, Mkhosana strode among them, oblivious to the bullets striking around him, berating them for lying on their bellies. Making use of a phrase from King Cetshwayo's praises, he shouted out “The Little Branches of Leaves That Extinguished the Great Fire ... did not order you to do this!”. Shamed, the uKhandempemvu rose up and pressed forward, and as they did so Mkhosana fell, shot through the head. All along the line, the amabutho saw the uKhandempemvu's example, and rose up. Just then the British ceased firing and fell back.
The Zulu's were then amongst them in close quarter battle and the rest is history. There are some great publications on the Zulu War and if anyone is looking for any PM me and I will send you a good list to be getting on with.
cheers
Richie
Hi Colin,
Thanks for posting.
The Monkey Boy is more than happy. It has always wrongly been seen as a great British defeat rather than a great Zulu victory which it was. It's nice to see some modern battlefield archeology applied and helping to unlock some of the myth's on that day and more accurately pinpointing the actual postions of the forward line. As this shows it was not one thing but a combination of things at critical times that made this such an epic battle.The Zulu induna Ntshingwayo Khoza certainly out planned the British military machine on that day.
One of the other key factors on this day was, the British had the Zulu chest pinned down in the long flaying grass and donga's. Then an old chief Mkhosana kaMvundlana of the Biyela, an officer of the uKhandempemvu, had reached his men shortly before the British withdrawal, when they were pinned down under fire in a series of dongas at the foot of the escarpment. Dressed in all his ceremonial finery, Mkhosana strode among them, oblivious to the bullets striking around him, berating them for lying on their bellies. Making use of a phrase from King Cetshwayo's praises, he shouted out “The Little Branches of Leaves That Extinguished the Great Fire ... did not order you to do this!”. Shamed, the uKhandempemvu rose up and pressed forward, and as they did so Mkhosana fell, shot through the head. All along the line, the amabutho saw the uKhandempemvu's example, and rose up. Just then the British ceased firing and fell back.
The Zulu's were then amongst them in close quarter battle and the rest is history. There are some great publications on the Zulu War and if anyone is looking for any PM me and I will send you a good list to be getting on with.
cheers
Richie
Colin_Fraser
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One of my fave books growing up was The Washing of the Spears. Guess recent scholarship has shown that to be pretty out of date. Glad you guys enjoyed the vid.
Colin
Colin
I've seen it before Colin, but it was good to see it again.
So thanks for the link.
So thanks for the link.
M
Mark S
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Yes I thoroughly enjoyed it too when Carl posted it earlier this year.
The information about the hypnosis and special snuff I found fascinating.
The information about the hypnosis and special snuff I found fascinating.
Colin_Fraser
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Missed it the first time then. I thought the focus on the Zulus being drug addled a little too strong. A bit like the Russian General who couldn't believe the Light Brigade charged at Balaklava unless they were all drunk. Sometimes guts are just guts.
Colin
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