Spartan Oplite - Pegaso Models new
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Mark S
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Easy to see why you needed to use the NSFW tag on this one......that dangly bit which is obvious in pics two and three seems totally unnecessary.
Thanks for the warning.
Thanks for the warning.
zane666
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lovely figure, nice stance, not for the faint hearted with all that bronze.
regards Zane
regards Zane
zane666
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Nice figure but is the dangly thing really in scale !
Thanks for warning and for sharing
Nap
Redcap
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Is this an historically accurate representation of a Spartan Hoplite (presume late period?) or is it a fantasy interpretation? I ask as I have never seen this sort of helmet nor the groin protector on previous model figures or contemporary art depictions of Spartan troops.
Anyone able to clarify please?
Thank you.
Gary
Anyone able to clarify please?
Thank you.
Gary
zane666
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this figure is a Spartan Oplite, completely different from a Spartan Hoplite
tonydawe
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I have to say that neither the sculpting nor the box art painting seem to be up to the usual Pegaso standard. This one seems sub-par to me.
Oh well, they can't all be perfect
Oh well, they can't all be perfect
Redcap
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this figure is a Spartan Oplite, completely different from a Spartan Hoplite
Oh right, so what's the difference with an 'Oplite' as I just googled it and can't find anything? Indeed, google says when typed in - '''did you mean Spartan Hoplite?
Thanks for the reply and it's a genuine question.
Gary
JonP
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Aren't Oplites from Essex?
Ulrich
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Don´t know if it is a hoplite from Sparta or a Oplite from Essex , but can anyone tell me how it is possible to hold that spear in the hand and get the thumb over the other fingers? Ok I try to cut my fingers away and now they are a little bit shorter but ...
, but can anyone tell me how it is possible to hold that spear in the hand and get the thumb over the other fingers? Ok I try to cut my fingers away and now they are a little bit shorter but ...
tomifune
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Bailey
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This piece looks to be a bit on the line between fantasy and reality, but I can't say the equipment isn't accurate. The helmet certainly isn't one of the more common setups, but looks pretty similar to the guy on the left (ancient pottery from ~530 BC). The groin protector is also not that common but I believe they existed. I'm also pretty sure oplite is just Italian for hoplite. Aside from the painting on the shield I don't see any reason this needs to be a Spartan Hoplite, would fit with just about any Greek city state. And it would probably be an earlier Hoplite rather than a late period one, I'd say time of the first Persian invasion or before... although that's just a rough guess rather than research talking.
Oh, and as for the dangly bits, I'm pretty sure what you see in picture 2 is the end of the scabbard and in picture 3 it's the other side of the cloth (notice the center fold in the front view). Sorry, but I don't think they actually added that extra detail.
The sculpting on the figure does seem a bit stylized to me so that adds to the fantasy feel. I can't tell if the proportions are exaggerated or it's just because of his hunched over pose. I like ancient figures and I'm glad to see Pegaso releasing more of them. It's also nice to see one with a spear, too often sculptors make them carrying their sword, a weapon of last resort. But unfortunately the pose and style just don't do it for me. I'll skip this one.
These would be hung from the belt
Redcap
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Thanks for the comprehensive summary as I am unsure what my original post mertited to attract the 'laughing' icon from one PF member.....but absent any clarity to explaination or support it!
Yours was a really helpful and informative reply along with a great picture.
Thank you very much, I appreciate it.
Gary
Yours was a really helpful and informative reply along with a great picture.
Thank you very much, I appreciate it.
Gary
templar magister
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Bailey
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I guess my understanding (and I'm not an expert so I may be wrong) is that the Peloponnesian war saw changes in Greek tactics, with increased use of light infantry like javelin throwers and archers. The hoplite formation changed as well, sacrificing body armor for increased mobility. Looking through my copies of the Osprey books the later Greeks often have either linen armor or no body armor and smaller helmets like the Boeotian or Pilos helmet that no longer cover the face. The shield and spear are the only consistent equipment for the hoplite. While the Spartans may have been slower to adapt their armor, to me a figure this heavily clad implies early and not late period.
The reference image for the vase painting is dated to 530 BC, so pre-Persian invasion and a century before the Peloponnesian war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andokides_painter
The reference image for the vase painting is dated to 530 BC, so pre-Persian invasion and a century before the Peloponnesian war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andokides_painter
Joe55
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I noticed that on the vase, women apparently sported Elvis sideburns !
Sorry, I couldn't help it!
Joe
! Sorry, I couldn't help it!
Joe
The "Lamda" letter on the shield should be seen after 424 BC. (It means that these soldiers belong to the Lacedaemon/Λακεδαίμων or Sparta)
The first hoplites that used it were just slaves recruited by Vrasidas, a Spartan general and they later gained political rights for their bravery.
"Perioeci" were also used this letter on their shield and they also were not Spartan hoplites. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perioeci).
Maybe very later that Lamda letter would appear more often.
It is a very interesting miniature not from a very popular time period. It can represent an hoplite of another Greek city state!
The first hoplites that used it were just slaves recruited by Vrasidas, a Spartan general and they later gained political rights for their bravery.
"Perioeci" were also used this letter on their shield and they also were not Spartan hoplites. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perioeci).
Maybe very later that Lamda letter would appear more often.
It is a very interesting miniature not from a very popular time period. It can represent an hoplite of another Greek city state!
