The Verlinden judging system?

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If someone is willing to "stuff the ballot" so that he wins "most popular model," I say let him have it. Clearly that is an individual with an empty and meaningless life. Maybe the award will bring the pathetic guy a few days of happiness.
 
These postings are all well and good, modelling is quite an insular past time and I agree that forums like this and also going to shows, contests etc. add that camaraderie and feedback that you might not get otherwise. It still doesn't detract from the fact that most shows, at least here in the UK, that have competitions are doing modellers an injustice, I can appreciate good workmanship in almost any subject, and yes there will always be personal bias, but competition shouldn't have that personal bias, it would be doing an injsutice to the modeller who has decided to build something that doesn't necessarily appeal to the judges. I have first hand knowledge of this, I recall some years ago a well known modeller here in the UK said to me that he had judged all the civilian transport sections and he was chuffed to bits and all misty eyed, that there were one or two models that really appealed to him as he can rememebr them from when he was a boy, guess what they got first and second and one of them best in category, were they deserving, undoubtedly they were well made, but not better than other models there, I suspect that their placing had a lot to do with their appeal, rather than the actual quality.

My point is, is that yes, shows are all about the inter-action between people who share a passion about our hobby, but it is also about the competition, or else why would anybody enter one in the first place, it's good to pit yourself against others, how else can we improve if we do not always try and excell and competitions are about trying to excel and do better, did Michael Johnston ever think I know I'm fast but I won't bother going to the Olympics or World Championships, he went because he wanted to be the best in the world in his chosen field, and this is the important bit, he knew that it would be a level playing field (except for any cheats which you can't allow for those in any field) our competitions should be the same perhaps it's time for a univesal global procedure on how to classify, judge competitions, one should at least expect that if it gets Gold at Euro Militaire or the IPMS Nationals it should at least get placed or highly commended at Milton Keynes or Southern Expo, this just doesn't happen.

What that system should be, who knows, but a start would be to have the same judges, judging all categories and perhaps score for different areas of our hobby, such as finishing, painting, accuracy, both scale and historical, appeal of subject (this should take care of the personal judges bias to any given subject) and perhaps not carry so many marks, the totals of all the judges are tallied up and you would have an outcome. If there are any tied scores then perhaps you could look at counting back the scores, as to who has the most, much like they do in Formula 1, most 1st place finishes, 2nd place etc. Or rugby union, most tries, then penalties, then drop goals, then conversations.

This system could also be used to ascertain the best model in category, best in show etc. etc. As all entries would have been judged by the exact same people so any bias should be evened up, especially if you were to get judges who build in all different categories.

I want to know that if I enter a competition that it's a level contest and that who ever wins the category has the best model.

Judges notes should be given out to the contestant so that they can see where they need to improve specifically, quite often it is this lack of feed back that is the most irksome to contestants, as they do not know where they are going wrong.

I know most of us who belong to a club or go along to shows etc for the frienships that they have would get this from other members or people at the shows, but I know of some people who know no-one, turn up at a show, leave their entry and come back to pick it up, not having had any interaction with fellow modellers and therefore not get this friendly critique, pointers etc.

Sorry for this being such a long post, once I got going it just kept coming.

Once again only my opinions and they are not meant to offend anyway, except the judges ;) , but hey it might illicit some reactions.

Regards

Tim
 
Tim, an idealistic idea, I think!!

It is soo hard to judge on historical accuracy - no judge can know unless walking around with a small library system!

And as nice as it sounds, if the same judges did all the entries with notes to provide to contestents, Euro Militaire would go on for weeks!!!! :lol:

Bottom line is no system is perfect. The closest I've seen and experienced is the open system. Even then judges are fundamentally human and have their own subjective opinions (oh, humanity - great isn't it! Free will........)
 
Rob, I see your point, in the form that I wrote it might be idealistic, but I'm sure finer brains than mine could come up with a more workable system. The notes wouldn't have to be given out to everyone, just those that requested them, you could even make a nominal charge for them perhaps.

Granted that a contest like Euro Militaire would be huge and would have it's logistical problems, although never having been to Euro Militaire I do not know if there are any issues with the jugding there, I suspect not it's the smaller local competitions that need to look at themselves.

I may be a bit ignorant here, but what exactly is the "open system" that has been spoken about in this post?

:)
 
Tim, the open system is explained here:

Open Awards System

it's used in the bigger shows in the US, and a version of it is used at Euro.

It's basically not 1st, 2nd, 3rd, but awards given to work of a particular quality. As such, many or no medals of, say, gold standard, will be awarded depending upon the quality of work entered.

It has elements of what you describe........

And it's ACE!!!!! :lol:
 
Thanks Rob

Yes, it's as I thought, each model is judged on it's own merit. The now defunct Model Engineering Exhibition used the same system, it works well, from what I recall.

Regards

Tim
 
The beauty about the Open system is that the only one you compete with is yourself. The IPMS shows where you have 1st 2nd and 3rd places it leaves out a lot of people and get no recognition for what they have done. Imagine being up against Latorre, Ruina or Jaume Ortiz, that would be pretty discouraging while in the open system, you will still have an idea where you are and still get some feedback and maybe even an award.

Sure each show have some lemons, but thats how it is. Even if there are different judging teams, their standard are the same for all the entries they judge (usually all on the same table you were judged), and if one wants to compare what he or she got to others work it is pretty easy to do. As an example. I had a piece at Chicago a couple years ago, it got a bronze, it was right next to Tim Flagstad and Matt Springers work. They received a bronze and silver respectivly (we all got the awards for our busts), so a bronze for me was really good.
 
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