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This NEW series coming to PBS looks to be very promising. In addition to it being made available on DVD 9and I believe VHS) there is also a companion book and soundtrack CD. I just recieved my soundtrack today and if you like the Last of the Mohican's soundtrack you'll like this as well.

Here's the link to the series website.

http://www.thewarthatmadeamerica.org/

Here is the site I purchased the CD from, it's the cheapest I've found and delivery was fast.

http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/...Indian+War).htm
 
I'm gonna go on your say-so Gary as The Last of The Mohican sound track is one of my favorites. I just ordered the sound track and will let you know how it is.

Guy
 
THanks for the headsup, the F&I War have been one of my favs since I was a kid living in NY. I'll be sure to get the soundtrack as well.
 
Originally posted by Guy@Jan 12 2006, 01:54 PM
I'm gonna go on your say-so Gary as The Last of The Mohican sound track is one of my favorites. I just ordered the sound track and will let you know how it is.

Guy
Guy, I know you'll like it. If you go to the site for the program they have a few sample tracks. They would not load for me for some reason, but no matter, I got my CD the same day.~Gary
 
I picked up the book on Sunday at B&N and am already half way through it. Great book, very informative and easy to read. I guess I'll have to try the CD.
 
Hey Gary,

Thanks for the heads up on this. I saw some clips at the History Center last year and thought it looked pretty good.
 
Now this looks pretty cool.
I need some inspiration on 18th century Native American tatoos and hair roaches.
It looks like there may be some in this series.
Thanks,
G9
 
The program looke like it will feature some reenactors with great impressions. Here's a nice shot of a couple of Native American extras.~Gary
 
Hi Guy,

thank you very much for your information. I'm very interested in this DVD and I hope it is more historical as the "Last Mohecan" made by Michael Man, a movie which rose a protest by the woodland tribs, especially the Irokes nation. Also the Indian actors of the movie, like former AIM activist Russel Means criticised that move when they look the final product.
I hope this movie chip away the fairy tale of the "cruel" Woodland Indians.

If this movie would have the superb quality like "Into the West", the best movie mad up to this moment on the Indian wars, it would be great!

I wait for your comment on this movie.

By the way, I have just sent an article of my vignette "The taking of Mary Jemison" to Historical Miniature. This includs n article on the Woodland Indians and the fate of white prisoners. The article is based on the new historical research.

Best regards from Bavaria

Bruno
 
Originally posted by Bruno@Jan 14 2006, 07:29 AM
Hi Guy,

thank you very much for your information. I'm very interested in this DVD and I hope it is more historical as the "Last Mohecan" made by Michael Man, a movie which rose a protest by the woodland tribs, especially the Irokes nation. Also the Indian actors of the movie, like former AIM activist Russel Means criticised that move when they look the final product.
I hope this movie chip away the fairy tale of the "cruel" Woodland Indians.

If this movie would have the superb quality like "Into the West", the best movie mad up to this moment on the Indian wars, it would be great!

I wait for your comment on this movie.

Best regards from Bavaria

Bruno
Bruno, I'm looking forward to it. Fortunately from what I've read and seen about it the roles played by Native Americans will be covered equally along with the British/Americans and French.

The Last of the Mohicans is one of my favorite films. Though maybe not a perfect film, it did generate some interest in the period.~Gary
 
Originally posted by Bruno@Jan 14 2006, 07:29 AM

If this movie would have the superb quality like "Into the West", the best movie mad up to this moment on the Indian wars, it would be great!

Bruno
Interestingly, I spoke with a couple Indian who were portraying Union scouts at a Civil War reenactment while "Into the West" was airing and they hated it for not protraying enough white on Indian brutality in the attacks on the villages.

For me, I was greatly impressed at the level of "homework" they did. For example, when Custer is introduced, he has his trademark long hair. As he sets out for his last campaign, he has cut his hair as he did in real life!

I, too, am looking forward to this series and Pegaso's Iroquois is on my bench.
 
Originally posted by AJLaFleche@Jan 14 2006, 04:47 PM
Interestingly, I spoke with a couple Indian who were portraying Union scouts at a Civil War reenactment while "Into the West" was airing and they hated it for not protraying enough white on Indian brutality in the attacks on the villages.

I wish a little more time would be spent on such incidents, but the winner always gets to the write history.~Gary
 
Hi Al,

I know the same reaction from Native American friends. My wife was at the Rosebud Reservation visiting Lakota friends, when two episodes were shown on TV and she watched them with our Lakota friends.

I agree that the movie only shows the pick of an ice-hill what was done on cruelties from the white fighters, scalp hunters and soldiers against the Indians. I do now 30 years on research on this history. 'When I have a look on the history I had the impression that the whites were the barbarians and not the Indians.

I observed, that it is difficult to speake in America abaout this side of the Indian wars. I did a critic on the racist Osprey book "The Plains Wars" and put it in German and English language on our German website. I got full support by German, French, Italian and Greec figurinists, But I was heavy attact by a some American figurinists to be insult the American people and to be "Anti-American". Whis was finally the reason not to go to the World Expo with my Indian figurines.

I'm very pleased about the reaction towards my Indian figurines and my articles at the Planet Figure. I have a lot of American friends ad I'm not Anti American!

The book review "Comanche"s, I published at Planet Figurine, I first wrote to be published in an American Magazine, but it was not published, because there were thougst that suche review would be not liked by some reader.

Under this situation, the movie "Into the West" had the courage to show Sand Creck Massacre, Washita Massacre and Wounded Knee Massacre.

At the same time a book is published by an American historian Jerome Green, official historian of the "US Park Service", who describes Washita as a great victory of brave white men and a justified action against the savages, because the soldiers finde some items in the village of Black Kettle which were stolen from a stage coache. Which means because there are some criminals in a village it is justified to kill the whole village. Well know US historian Robert Utley denie in his book "Last Days of the Sioux Nation" that Wounded Knee was a masscre at all. He stated that according to the white reports the "savages" as he called them, had fired 60 rounds to the soldiers and they aswerd in a kind of self devesce, but he don't explain how they could do this after they had lied down their weapons.

I totally agree that all suche szenes at "Into the West" are softened. At Sand Creck the Indians were not only scalpted. The white soldiers commit every sadistic barbarity inclooding rape, mutilation and tortouring. They even cut of the belly of pregnant women and killed the unborn and observed the mother to die in her blood. They than parade in Denver with cut the of "privat" human parts of men and women and exposed them at the theather.

But even for this soft version Steven Spielberg was heavy attact by whit people who don't want to hear this side of the story.

For this reason I love "Into the West" and I regard this movie as a step foreward.
I also love this movie for the correct way they showed the Indian life and portraied them as human beings with all emotions, often missed at "Western Movies"

Best regards

Bruno
 
Did anyone see the War that made America on PBS? Any thoughts? I thought it was okay. If I had to rate it I'd give it a 2 1/2 out of 5. I did not care much for the docu-drama format and thought the program would have benefitted by having a few "talking heads' (historians giving comentary). Native American actor Graham Greene provided some of the narration, although I felt he came off very wooden-like with little or no emotion in his dialogue. Regardless of how it is recieved the program will no doubt foster some interest in the period. ;) ~Gary
 
I tuned in. I agree with your assessment Gary. I would rate it a little higher 3 out of five maybe. I enjoyed the characters monologues. I look forward to the next installment. Having said that, I would rather have seen something more along the lines of "Tales of the Old Northwest" as seen on THC. Some of the Indian costumes seemed a little modern in look if not in cut.
 
John, I totally agree with you. I think the makers of the series wanted actual Native Americans for those roles. I would say in all liklihood than very few of them reenact or do living history. You did notice a few reenactors here and there that looked better than the actual natives , unfortunately these folks got shoved to the background and were not seen as much. The Indian "costumes" looked too cookie cutter which had all of them looking the same. I know these are nit picky comments, but it's a bit frustrating when the resources are out there and readily available and they are not utilized.~Gary
 
All in all I enjoyed the program last night. I guess due to the fact that there is so little done on the subject that made it enjoyable too. I will have to agree......most clothing looked as it just came from the cleaners and seemed to be all the same "cookie cutter" pattern. I look forward to next weeks installment.
 
Hi folks,

as the serie is not jet shown at the German television, nor was "Into the West" shown, please keep me informed if the DVD is worth to buy it or not.

In any case thank you for your information!

Unfortunately the quality of the programm of German televison is going to the ground, too much stupid soaps!

Best regards

Bruno
 

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