davidmitchell
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These all look very nice, good idea for a set of busts.Sure these will be popular.
Cheers David
Cheers David
Victoria Cross bust set 2 Mitches Military Models
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MMM
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thanks David, glad you like the busts. there will be a further 6 busts released in the near future 3 x american and3 x russian.
Regards
Ross
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Ross
Captain Lol
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Great busts ! 
Bournouna
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there is still some ideas for busts of French soldiers.
How about a bust of General Jacques Massu in Algeria. He was the Commander of the 10th Parachute Division in 1957. It would make for an interesting subject.
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How about a bust of General Jacques Massu in Algeria. He was the Commander of the 10th Parachute Division in 1957. It would make for an interesting subject.
Regards
Paul Kernan
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Ross:
I ordered the RAF bust last Wednesday morning and it arrived in this morning's mail. Outstanding...and the bust ain't too shabby either
Many thanks, mate.
Paul
I ordered the RAF bust last Wednesday morning and it arrived in this morning's mail. Outstanding...and the bust ain't too shabby either
Many thanks, mate.
Paul
MMM
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Ross:
I ordered the RAF bust last Wednesday morning and it arrived in this morning's mail. Outstanding...and the bust ain't too shabby either
Many thanks, mate.
Paul
Glad you like the figure Paul, you just need the other two to go with it
Waiting for mine to arrive(George Mitchell) ..leaping on the postman as soon as he comes down the path.
So tempted by the others !!!!
Nap
So tempted by the others !!!!
Nap
To assist anyone wishing to paint and model the Nicolson VC bust here are some useful references:-
He wears an Irvin Flying Jacket. BoB period saw a two piece rear panel and the leather is a warmer brown than some replicas which are very dk brown.
http://www.eastmanleather.com/product_info.php?products_id=157 is an exact replica. I do see a difference though in the busts lower lapel shape comparing it to this replica and also the real thing. You may wish to add the long leather pull on the zip missing from the bust.
http://ww2militarymemoirs.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/raf-irvin-flying-jacket.html
a type B flying helmet.
http://www.historicflyingclothing.com/raf-b-type-flying-helmet_item_14395#.U9aJ1KO4OrY
http://www.onesixth.co.uk/vb4forum/showthread.php?514-RAF-Fighter-Pilot-1940-Battle-of-Britain
http://www.medalsofengland.com/uploads/120322_02_11_514.jpg
I have noticed that the models helmet doesn’t have the straight cut shape of the lower edge of the Type B, with the ‘Bennets Buckle’ leather coated V shaped strap holder that sits ‘off helmet’ on a small leather flap. See refs. Especially first link for helmet.
It also lacks the leather strap at back with the same ‘Bennets Buckle’ this time sewn into a seam. It has an eyelet strap with central buckle so this needs altering as does helmet base. You may wish to further edit the helmet as the triangle panels from the helmet front also need to meet up further back on top and rub down the four mask fasteners which are very pronounced.
Something very missing though is the fact that the helmet electrics and mask are not present. The helmet would never ever be worn or seen as depicted devoid of its electrical loom. As such its very incomplete. The pilot would have had to spend ages removing the screwed in loom from the earpieces and why do so ?
It would have a wiring loom from both ear domes and a further cable to the Type D mask microphone, all three end at a dk brown thread whipped junction 30cm or so below the chin from where the main cable ran to the jackplug.
Mask normally snapped into the one side of the helmet, now for us modellers that mask could be depicted hanging from the helmet suspended by its single cable rather than try and model it attached, but either way it needs adding, unless we have it missing just ‘off stage’, as it’s a bust’ with just the loom to it.
http://ww2militarymemoirs.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/raf-irvin-flying-jacket.html loom visible in Clowes (next pic after colour shot of irvin)
and Type ??? Goggles.
The goggles pose a problem..
A few of ‘The Few’ wore a new style goggles. The Battle of Britain saw the introduction of two-piece flat glass goggles with two types,
Mk4B Short loop (not very common)
http://www.themilitarycampaign.co.u...rare-ww2-mk-ivb-short-loop-raf-flying-goggles
and MkIVB long loop, referring to the length of the brown tubular cloth coated spring, the latter fitted over the domed ear pieces.
http://www.alliedflightgear.com/Raf flying goggles.html
Nicolson’s bust though whilst having the two piece glass type lenses and an attachment for the flip shield, is definitely not these.
That poses a problem as when in the war is this bust depicting Nicolson ? I don’t think he flew again wearing a type B helmet as the Type C was in use in mid 1941 when he came out of convalescence.
After he was shot down in August 1940 he was convalescing until end of Feb 1941 then CO 1459 Flight then a Staff Officer in India 17/3/1942 then CO 27 Sqdn Burma Aug 1943 and WingCo Aug44 India.
I assume this is depicting him in the Battle of Britain given the helmet he wears and clothing to keep warm, as India is already warm !
http://www.unithistories.com/officers/RAF_officers_N01.html
It is definitely not the MkVIII that we all see in the Bomber movies and which were popular with motorbikers post war as they had no flip shield device as on the bust.
See last image at
http://www.alliedflightgear.com/Raf flying goggles.html
http://medalsofengland.com/medals.php?id=82 also has images
It is not the MkVII which had a brass slot headed nut either side of the flip shield, as whilst there is representation of this, they had wide metal areas around the lenses with no leather padding showing and the bust doesn’t have the wide metal and it does have leather showing, also the slot head knobs on the bust are on some long rectangular device with holes which are not there on the MkVII.
Maybe a MkVI then. There is no Mark VI or Mk V as far as I can find.
As such the goggles appear to be a mongrel MkVII/MkVIII and non existent as a type but whatever they are supposed to be they are not Battle of Britain, and late war when he wouldn’t be wearing this helmet !
Probably best modified into the Type IV or IVB which had the two part lenses.
http://www.medalsofengland.com/uploads/120322_01_58_132.jpg (mic is pre-BoB)
An interesting link to the exhibit of his blood stained shirt and singed/holed clothing and mae-west and bullet shattered shoe he was wearing at the time of being shot down is here:-
http://www.culture24.org.uk/history-and-heritage/war-and-conflict/world-war-two/art80454
…for it to be kept and to have survived is a fantastic piece of history. Check with Tangmere before visiting as last time I went there the case was empty !
DBenz
He wears an Irvin Flying Jacket. BoB period saw a two piece rear panel and the leather is a warmer brown than some replicas which are very dk brown.
http://www.eastmanleather.com/product_info.php?products_id=157 is an exact replica. I do see a difference though in the busts lower lapel shape comparing it to this replica and also the real thing. You may wish to add the long leather pull on the zip missing from the bust.
http://ww2militarymemoirs.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/raf-irvin-flying-jacket.html
a type B flying helmet.
http://www.historicflyingclothing.com/raf-b-type-flying-helmet_item_14395#.U9aJ1KO4OrY
http://www.onesixth.co.uk/vb4forum/showthread.php?514-RAF-Fighter-Pilot-1940-Battle-of-Britain
http://www.medalsofengland.com/uploads/120322_02_11_514.jpg
I have noticed that the models helmet doesn’t have the straight cut shape of the lower edge of the Type B, with the ‘Bennets Buckle’ leather coated V shaped strap holder that sits ‘off helmet’ on a small leather flap. See refs. Especially first link for helmet.
It also lacks the leather strap at back with the same ‘Bennets Buckle’ this time sewn into a seam. It has an eyelet strap with central buckle so this needs altering as does helmet base. You may wish to further edit the helmet as the triangle panels from the helmet front also need to meet up further back on top and rub down the four mask fasteners which are very pronounced.
Something very missing though is the fact that the helmet electrics and mask are not present. The helmet would never ever be worn or seen as depicted devoid of its electrical loom. As such its very incomplete. The pilot would have had to spend ages removing the screwed in loom from the earpieces and why do so ?
It would have a wiring loom from both ear domes and a further cable to the Type D mask microphone, all three end at a dk brown thread whipped junction 30cm or so below the chin from where the main cable ran to the jackplug.
Mask normally snapped into the one side of the helmet, now for us modellers that mask could be depicted hanging from the helmet suspended by its single cable rather than try and model it attached, but either way it needs adding, unless we have it missing just ‘off stage’, as it’s a bust’ with just the loom to it.
http://ww2militarymemoirs.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/raf-irvin-flying-jacket.html loom visible in Clowes (next pic after colour shot of irvin)
and Type ??? Goggles.
The goggles pose a problem..
A few of ‘The Few’ wore a new style goggles. The Battle of Britain saw the introduction of two-piece flat glass goggles with two types,
Mk4B Short loop (not very common)
http://www.themilitarycampaign.co.u...rare-ww2-mk-ivb-short-loop-raf-flying-goggles
and MkIVB long loop, referring to the length of the brown tubular cloth coated spring, the latter fitted over the domed ear pieces.
http://www.alliedflightgear.com/Raf flying goggles.html
Nicolson’s bust though whilst having the two piece glass type lenses and an attachment for the flip shield, is definitely not these.
That poses a problem as when in the war is this bust depicting Nicolson ? I don’t think he flew again wearing a type B helmet as the Type C was in use in mid 1941 when he came out of convalescence.
After he was shot down in August 1940 he was convalescing until end of Feb 1941 then CO 1459 Flight then a Staff Officer in India 17/3/1942 then CO 27 Sqdn Burma Aug 1943 and WingCo Aug44 India.
I assume this is depicting him in the Battle of Britain given the helmet he wears and clothing to keep warm, as India is already warm !
http://www.unithistories.com/officers/RAF_officers_N01.html
It is definitely not the MkVIII that we all see in the Bomber movies and which were popular with motorbikers post war as they had no flip shield device as on the bust.
See last image at
http://www.alliedflightgear.com/Raf flying goggles.html
http://medalsofengland.com/medals.php?id=82 also has images
It is not the MkVII which had a brass slot headed nut either side of the flip shield, as whilst there is representation of this, they had wide metal areas around the lenses with no leather padding showing and the bust doesn’t have the wide metal and it does have leather showing, also the slot head knobs on the bust are on some long rectangular device with holes which are not there on the MkVII.
Maybe a MkVI then. There is no Mark VI or Mk V as far as I can find.
As such the goggles appear to be a mongrel MkVII/MkVIII and non existent as a type but whatever they are supposed to be they are not Battle of Britain, and late war when he wouldn’t be wearing this helmet !
Probably best modified into the Type IV or IVB which had the two part lenses.
http://www.medalsofengland.com/uploads/120322_01_58_132.jpg (mic is pre-BoB)
An interesting link to the exhibit of his blood stained shirt and singed/holed clothing and mae-west and bullet shattered shoe he was wearing at the time of being shot down is here:-
http://www.culture24.org.uk/history-and-heritage/war-and-conflict/world-war-two/art80454
…for it to be kept and to have survived is a fantastic piece of history. Check with Tangmere before visiting as last time I went there the case was empty !
DBenz
megroot
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Like them all. But the first one is on my retina.
Marc
Marc
