Water based oils

[mgard]

Has anyone used the Winsor & Newton water based oils and are they good? I paint in acrylics (Vallejo) and was looking to use these oil paints for shading/highlighting. Any comments and suggestions are welcome.

Thank you,
Mike

 

[JosephMcEvoy]

Hi, Vince Wai of Alpha Image uses these water based oils and demo'd them at last month's meeting at The Sentry in Toronto. Hopefully, he'll see this post and let you know.

 

[KeithP]

Are you referring to the water mixable oils? I have used the lemon yellow and alazarin crimson mixed with the artist oil paints with no problem. Work fine. They seem to behave just like the artist oil.

Keith

 

[amherbert]

There was a big article on using these in Military Modelling a while back (Vol. 30, Issue 13 in 2000).

They can be used with water or as regular oil paints. Mixed with a little 'regular' oil paint, they stay water mixable. I think if you have more than 30% or 50% regular oils, then you need to use oil thinner etc.

The paints are very thick compared to regular oils, I found. I have the Grumbacher and W&N ones. I've used them a bit. I tried painting a whole figure in the water mixable oils, but didn't have enough colors to finish it all that way.

They do thin and clean up with water if that's what you are looking for.

Andy

 

[mgard]

What I'm looking to do is to base coat the figures with Vallejo, then use the water based oils for shading and highlighting. I have used Vallejo for shading and highlighting, but am not too satisfied with the results.

Mike

 

[amherbert]

Hi

That should work.
I'd recommend trying it out. The hard part is getting the right range of colors! Remember, if you have any regular oils, then you can add a little of them to darken or lighten a color.

Andy

 

[dario966]

the waterbased oils are just fine, any company will do -e.g. VanGogh. They dry in about 3-5 days but if you use the special water based drying media with them - W&N makes some excellent ones - they dry in matter of 12 hours. And the good thing is the brushes are washed with water (sable brushes can last much longer because of that) and perhaps the artist's soap (to make sure). Also you could use the galkyd drying media to speed up the drying process even more -but that means you have to use mineral spirits to wash your brushes. as far as colors mixing, there is no problem... Also, why not to use galkyd oils - aka resin oils - they dry fast, use mineral spirits to dilute them, add more galkyd to speed the drying etc. So there are oils and oils out there for anyone to try - especially since you can mix all of them - the speed of drying is based on how much drying medium you use

 

[mgard]

Thank you everyone for your comments and suggestions. I have used regular oils, but I wanted to try out these new water based oils to see how they worked and interacted with acrylics. I ordered some Windsor Newton colors the other day and was looking for some feedback, before I started using them.

Mike

 

[megroot]

Hey Mike,

Will you post some results here of the painting.
I am also interested.

Marc

 

[mgard]

I would love to post some pictures of my work. Unfortunately I do not have a digital camera to do that. Besides my figures are not of the same caliber as those that are posted on this site.

Mike

 

[megroot]

Mike,

It is no shame but a pitty that you have no digicam. (is that english???)
But don't be afraid if you can to post. I am also just one year painting figures.
I learned a lot of the guys here by let them critism on my painting.
They all are very kind in critics. They don't break your work but make it possible by the advises to go one step further in painting.
So if you can please post.

Marc

 

[mgard]

If I get a digital camera, I will gladly post my work.

Mike

 

[JP PRAJOUX]

I also have a question :
Are these water base oils shiny or matt or do they have the same properties as the "normal" oils ?
Thanks
Jean-Philippe

 

[Henrik S]

Yes they do behave as ordinary oils regarding finish.
Thick paint give gloss finish while thinner layers and speedier drying time (for instance under a lamp) give a satin or slightly matt finish.

However, I dont think the result is matt enough for my tast when it come to clothes, so I use matt varnish. But then I dont think regular oils would give a better result.

One other thing about theese oils. At least I have not been able to use the wery successfully for washes, at least not when diluted by water. But i guess it has more to to with the property of water as a solvant than the oil.

/Henrik

 

[JP PRAJOUX]

Thanks for the answer Henrik
I think I will keep my old oils and keep searching the perfect medium ! :lol:
Bye
JP