Young Miniatures - New Release for December

[AJLaFleche]

Probably not high on my to get list, but I love the little detail of the right breast pocket flap folded into the pocket. Wonderfully expressive face as well. Great sculpt; great painting.

 

[pmfs]

Actually Carl asked about the insignia, I posted the reply that you quoted. Looks like a little surgery on the sleeves will be in order. 5 minutes of scraping with an Xacto will fix that right up.

And thanks for the pic, what a great likeness they have come up with, its about spot on.

Yes I know! We can call anything else, so many Obersturmbanfuhrer´s in
12thSS!!!
Modeling is the ability to improvise and adaptation at all situations.
The most important is Mr.Young provide to all is costumers another stunning work and like you said "great likeness".
Congratulations to the painter and sculptor.

Cheers

 

[Ebroin]

Thank you all, guys.
And Micheal Tse, I am a big fan of the Soviet Union and her warriors.
You will get what you want in next year. Please be patient

About rank, Web and researches tell he was a SS-Obersturmbannfuhrer in Normandy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Wünsche
http://blog.naver.com/goodtofu?Redirect=Log&logNo=80040819354

He was promoted to SS-Obersturmbannfuhrer, or Lieutenant Colonel, on 30 January 1944. That's what my researches say.

 

[JasonB]

The man himself with rank info

Inspiration for the figure and his date of ranks
http://panzergruppe.itgo.com/wunche.html
I don't see the rank insignia on his sleeve, and I don't know whether a Lt. Col. would still be manning a Panther tank while in command of a division, but cool figure nonetheless. Max must have taken one to the cranium, as seen in this photo, where you can also see the rank insignia on his sleeve.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/41044438@N03/4703102879/
and here
http://h-4.abload.de/img/bundesarchiv_bild_146-nsgi.jpg

 

[ryall]

Would love to see Young, do some 1/16 full figures or at least some 1/16 head sets.
His heads look great

Ryally
http://www.brisbanemodelbuilder.com/

 

[Ebroin]

Inspiration for the figure and his date of ranks
http://panzergruppe.itgo.com/wunche.html
I don't see the rank insignia on his sleeve, and I don't know whether a Lt. Col. would still be manning a Panther tank while in command of a division, but cool figure nonetheless.

I sculpted based on picture you post.
And he had ranks on his sleeve later on.

So I decided to put the ranks for more visual interest.
Please think it as little exaggeration. Thank you.

 

[Ventress]

Want one

........

What he said!

 

[Michael Tse]

Thank you all, guys.
And Micheal Tse, I am a big fan of the Soviet Union and her warriors.
You will get what you want in next year. Please be patient

Thanks in advance, Ebroin!

Soviet Union subjects seriously deserve more outings. Whatever came out of it, no one can deny the epic, fatalist grace that went before.

 

[pmfs]

Thank you all, guys.
And Micheal Tse, I am a big fan of the Soviet Union and her warriors.
You will get what you want in next year. Please be patient

About rank, Web and researches tell he was a SS-Obersturmbannfuhrer in Normandy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Wünsche
http://blog.naver.com/goodtofu?Redirect=Log&logNo=80040819354

He was promoted to SS-Obersturmbannfuhrer, or Lieutenant Colonel, on 30 January 1944. That's what my researches say.

Hi!

sorry but is incorrect, the passage from wikipedia that you mention:
"In June Sturmbannführer Max Wünsche was ordered to transfer to a new division forming in France, which later became the 12th SS Panzer Division Hitlerjugend (12th SS Panzer Division Hitler Youth), and take command of the 12th SS Panzer Regiment."
The photo from wikpedia as you see is from 1944 and the left rank on the jacket show the true of his rank.

 

[Ebroin]

Hi!

sorry but is incorrect, the passage from wikipedia that you mention:
"In June Sturmbannführer Max Wünsche was ordered to transfer to a new division forming in France, which later became the 12th SS Panzer Division Hitlerjugend (12th SS Panzer Division Hitler Youth), and take command of the 12th SS Panzer Regiment."
The photo from wikpedia as you see is from 1944 and the left rank on the jacket show the true of his rank.

Please see jburch's link.
It also says he was promoted to SS-Oberstrumbannfuhrer at the bottom

and I think one bar is hidden in folds on that picture.

On this picture, oak leaves are not shown very cleary, but two bars are shown.

and Dragon did same mistake I did if it is a mistake.

Sorry, but I am not going to argue about his rank anymore.
This is all I can say about it.

 

[pmfs]

Hi!

Sturm...or Obers... its fine, the bust are stunning Mr.Youn congratulations and keep the good work on the Germans.

Cheers,
Pedro.

 

[Ebroin]

Hi!

Sturm...or Obers... its fine, the bust are stunning Mr.Young congratulations and keep the good work on the Germans.

Cheers,
Pedro.

I truely thank you very much for your attention and interet.
I guess I was overreacting.

 

[lbfactory]

hi Ebroin

CONGRATULATION !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for this beauty it's stunning

for historical part Wunsche was obersturmbannführer i've got the Heimdal book of the 12 ss with plenty of pics of him, sometimes books are better than internet lol
he was commander of the ss panzerregiment 12
the picture used for the figure was taken at Bretteville l'orgueilleuse
laurent

 

[Hardy]

I wants it!!!!!

 

[Blind Pew]

Even I wants it too!

 

[pmfs]

Oui monsieur, je sais!

" historical part Wunsche was obersturmbannführer i've got the Heimdal book of the 12 ss with plenty of pics of him, sometimes books are better than internet lol
he was commander of the ss panzerregiment 12
the picture used for the figure was taken at Bretteville l'orgueilleuse
laurent"[/QUOTE]


Like internet, books are written by men´s and woman´s this photo was taken in Normandy in June 1944.
The promotion to obersturmbannführer was in middle August 1944, Wünsche was captured in end of August when he tried to escape from Falaise pocket and was capture and sent to prisioner camp in Scotland. The military actions in Normandy was with the rank Sturmbannführer like you see in the picture.
I like books to!

Pedro

 

[Ebroin]

[/QUOTE]
Like internet, books are written by men´s and woman´s this photo was taken in Normandy in June 1944.
The promotion to obersturmbannführer was in middle August 1944, Wünsche was captured in end of August when he tried to escape from Falaise pocket and was capture and sent to prisioner camp in Scotland. The military actions in Normandy was with the rank Sturmbannführer like you see in the picture.
I like books to!

Pedro[/QUOTE]


well actually.. why don't you magnify that image and look carefully?
That image is bit tricky, but I found two bars judging by sleeve's wrinkles.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/41044438@N03/4703102879/
maybe this one shows better.

 

[Ebroin]

this one.

 

[pmfs]

I will go check with an Historian 85 years old expert!

This was Obersturmbannführer, Wünshe??? photo was taken in Falaise pocket in August 1944 for sure.
The photo that I show was in Juin 1944 at Caen when Max Wünshe was an Sturmbannfüher look the green sleeve!
Possibly??? in June is was an Obersturmbannfhürer and is promotion had not yet been updated, but in the other photo is an Sturmbnn...no doubts about it!

I had here 11/8/1944 the date of the promotion to Obers...but in the net mention in January?!

Here is an Standartenfhüher

Keep the good work!

 

[JasonB]

Hi all,
Ok at this point does it really matter? As we said before, if someone wants to "demote" the figure, a quick scrape with the knife will take care of it. After seeing all the pics so far, and considering the link that states he was promoted in January of 1944, I would leave it as is. However, like I said previously, I don't know if he would be crewing a Panther as a Lt. Colonel in command of the division. My guess is either the photo used for the sculpt was a posed shot (consider where the photographer would have to be standing to take it) or that it was from earlier in his career. As Ebroin said, he added the Oberst rank insignia for some added interest, so the picture may be from an earlier time frame. Pedro, I don't think anyone will chastise you if you decide to lower his rank based on what you believe either. In fact if/when I get the fig, I may well replace his peaked cap with a feldmutze of one variety or another and demote him even further. Just to make him different. And build a complete Panther turret, too!