WIP The Combat of the Thirty, 1351 - 54mm diorama sculpting WIP series - Introduction

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Borek

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Hi Guys :)

Greetings to all fans of our craft-art.


I would like to apologize in advance for the imperfect English in this challenging text. My knowledge of English has great limits and I mostly use Google translator. Thank you for your understanding and hopefully I will be forgiven:cautious::cool: .

Like probably most of you, I am now forced to sit at home. Social distance is a powerful weapon against the spread of the virus, and so I have completely ruled out any contact with the environment, except for the necessary reasons. Apart from a few duties, I am now out of work. I use the time to complete the previously unfinished figure projects (for example Grivitsa vignette for Nicolaos, or two Napoleonic soldiers for my friend Jirka). But I was wondering how I could have fun and bring you some interesting quarantine project that you could watch and relax a bit from the difficult situation of the outside world.

Some time ago I started working on the diorama of the Battle of Clontarf, but unfortunately now I have neither the figures in progress nor the collected documents. That's why I decided to start a brand new project. I want to bring you an interesting and extensive WIP series on a daily basis, in which you can follow in detail the development of sculpting a large diorama. How big it will be. I will do the figures one by one and bring you some updates of the work in progress every day. And see where we get :).

As you have noticed in the opening picture, I chose a very special and exceptional clash of the Hundred Years' War. I have long wanted to create a diorama from the Middle Ages and now seems to be an opportunity.


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Combat of the thirty - a little history

The Combat of the Thirty is a military clash from times of war for Breton succession. In 1341, Duke of Brittany John III died and in his last will appointed John IV de Montfort as his successor. Great support of the nobility, however, had Charles of Blois, who was entitled to Breton succession by marriage to Joan of Penthièvre (daughter of Guy, younger brother of John III)

A long civil war lasting nearly a quarter of a century fought between this two sides. Historically, it became part of the Hundred Years' War. Charles de Blois was supported by the French (on his side fought and the famous French conetable Bertrand du Guesclin), Montfort had the support of the English. The war for Breton successions took many lives and ended in 1364, when Charles de Blois died in the Battle of Auray and John V, (son of John IV de Montfort) became the ruler of Brittany.

The War of the Breton succession was long and full of big and interesting episodes. However, the struggle of the Thirty is a truly exceptional and dramatic chapter, which is beyond its course in other clashes of the century war. Did not in fact like a normal battle, but held rather in the style of hard Tournament (Tournoi), in which two equally large groups of chosen warriors will compete together in the fight, which is just as hard and unforgiving as the real battle. Such tough tournaments were common during the 12th and 13th centuries, but as a fun and part of the tournaments. In this case, however, this method of combat was chosen for a combat clash in a real war. Although the combat of thirty itself had no effect on the war , it enjoyed quite a major fame. He was beyond the ways of warfare that were common at the time.The Gentlemen's agreement on the struggle of two equally large groups was perceived as the pinnacle of a curtoasia - a knightly virtue, at a time when strategies began to prevail on the battlefields and battles often ended in massive massacres
(See, for example, the Battle of Crécy, which took place 5 years before the Combat of Thirty).

At the time of this special clash, both sides of the Breton succession dispute were led by women. Joan of Penthièvre represented her husband Charles de Blois, who has been imprisoned in the Tower Of London since 1347. The interests of their opponents, the Montfort family, were protected by Joanna of Flanders, whose husband John of Montfort died only a few years after the outbreak of the war, in 1345. That is why the conflict began to be nicknamed "The War of Two Joan".


Prelude

In 1351 there was a relative ceasefire. The fortified town of Ploermel, located in the southeast of Brittany, was dominated by the Montfort family at that time. Commander of the city was the English Knight, whose name was Benborough or Bramborough. According to some indications, it seems that Bemborough did not respect the ceasefire too much. The raids of his troops ravaged mainly the surroundings of Josselin Castle, which was located about 10 kilometers west of Ploermel.

Sir Robert de Baumenoir, who was the constable of Brittany and the governor of Josselin Castle, decided to prevent Bemborough from further assaults and therefore gathered all his men and set off for Ploermel. Siege the fortified city and the castle, however, seemed unrealistic. Baumenoir then called on the English knight Bemborough to fight in a tournament style. It was supposed to compete several knights in joust, a classic tournament. Bembourogh refused, and himself suggested that the 30 best fighters be selected from each side to face each other in the style of a hard tournament (tournoi), a simulated battle with a limited number of fighters.

Baumenoir accepted the Englishman's suggestion, and in four days (26 or 27 march 1351) the troops of the two knights had gathered halfway between the two fortifications. The place is still called Mi-Voie (Midway Oak). The selected men were armed with the weapons common at the time: swords, daggers, axes, spears, and polearms, and gathered in the open grassy area. Those who accompanied the selected men then retreated to give warriors room for their clash. The escort men were given a clear command not to interfere in the fight. The disobedience threatened death. Both groups of warriors then negotiated the conditions of combat, then both groups separated and prepared for battle.

The Combat of the Thirty – Battle
Phase 1

As a sign, the two groups of warriors fell on each other. The first clash soon disintegrated into a confused struggle of smaller groups, a hand-to-hand struggle in which Sir Jehan Rouselet was seriously wounded on the French side and squire Geffroy Mellon (Sir Rouselet seems to have succumbed to his injury in the end). On the French side there were other unpleasant losses. Sir Even de Charruel, Sir Caro de Bodegat and squire Tristan de Pestivien were injured and captured. At this stage of the fight, the French group lost 5 men. The struggle was probably fierce and exhausting, because it was interrupted after some time, which is probably a fact that Froissart also mentions. The men interrupted the struggle that the first one to stand up would invite the opponents to fight again. At the break, Beaumanoir of one of the squires fighting at his side fought as a knight (it was Geoffroy de la Roche), which certainly encouraged not only his morale, but also the fighting spirit of others who could also hope to pass after fighting if they flutter and bravely.


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Melee - fight man against man - engraving from the 19th century.

Phase 2

After the rest, when the warriors refreshed themselves with the wine, the fight flared again. According to the preserved pieces of information, the English commander Bemborough clashed with a squire Alain de Keranrais, whose spear drove between the Englishman's skull and helmet. It is not clear if Bemborough was injured, but it is assumed. The Englishman was said to have fallen to the ground, but immediately tried to get up again, while his warriors raged angrily at Alain de Keranrais. When Bemborough managed to get up and search for his rival, he found himself facing another French knight, Sir Geoffroy du Boys. He attacked him with his ax and killed Bemborough. According to another legend, Bemborough was killed by one of the de Tinténiac brothers (two brothers out of three, Jean and Alain, fought in battle).

The death of the English commander was probably a shock to both sides, so the fight was interrupted for a while.

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Alain de Kernarais and Geoffroy du Boys kill Robert of Bemborough - engraving from the 19th century.
Phase 3

Since there was no condition in the arrangement that the death of one of the commanders automatically meant victory, the struggle continued after a few moments. The German adventurer Crokart apparently spontaneously seized command of the English. The English men certainly respected this man as an experienced combatant and warrior. He immediately changed their tactics and arranged his men in one tight line (probably two rows). Until then, the struggle was chaotic, hand-to-hand, while the English now formed a solid wall, which broke the attacks of the enemies. Several of French were injured.

The French constable Beaumenoir also suffered several scars in this struggle. Around this moment it is possible to place his famous exclamation “Oh, I'm thirsty! Oh, I'm terribly thirsty! ”, As well as the memorable du Boys answer,“ Drink thy blood, Beumanoir, thy thirst will pass! ”, which the knight tried to support his comrade and commander in spirit. If these memorable sentences were really heard, it is likely that it was at this very moment.

Encouraged and a little ashamed, Beaumanoir ordered his men to attack the English line from the front and sides, and led the attack himself. Apparently he was trying to surround the enemy, which was (due to the English renumbering) certainly bold and also risky. But the risk came out. A fierce attack could disrupt the enemy's line. At this stage, managed to partially break the line of English warriors who in this brutal brawl probably lost about four warriors (two Britons, a German and a Breton knight of Ardaine)

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Sir Geoffroy du Boys encourages Captain Jean de Beaumanoir - engraving from the 19th century.

Phase 4

Crokart, the German commander of the English, tried to prevent the line breaking by trying to retreat and bend both sides of the line to the back so they could join (perhaps wanted to form a circle, defend it and prevent the French invading his group from behind). At that moment, one of the Frenchmen ran off the battlefield. Others seemed to think of him as a deserter. According to tradition, it was Squire Guillaume de Montauban, who did not run from the fight, but mounted his horse and galloped to the English section. On his horse, he easily managed to break the close defensive circle of the English, and again out of it. Perhaps as many as ten warriors were knocked down by Montauban's attack, and especially by his horse. Given the small number of fighters, this breach of line was fatal to the English. Beaumanoir and his men took advantage of this. Through the resulting gap in formation, they managed to break through the enemies, exploit the confusion and chaos among the English and defeat them.

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The final struggle in "The Combat of the thirty" in the painting from 1856

According to Froissart, since the beginning of the battle there have been 5 knights on the French side on horses. But that seems unlikely. Rather, it is an attempt by either Froissart or one of the survivors or battle participants to justify Montauban's attack on the horse. If there were several riders in battle from the beginning, it would mean that the opportunity to fight the horse was directly agreed. In that case, the knight's cavalry attack would not have a certain taste of fraud. The fact is, however, that the proven exact wording of the conditions of combat. There is a record that:

“The conditions of the fight were the conditions of the ‘wish-to-fight‘, that is, each of the sixty champions could fight freely as he liked, whether on foot or on horse, with the weapons he chose and had no other duty than in this fight observe the rules of chivalry loyalty.“ 1

It is indeed possible that it was announced in advance that the knights could fight on foot or by horse, at their discretion, but all chose to fight on foot. In the event of such a clash, it would seem more logical, horses in battle turmoil would endanger some wounded comrades, and the infantry struggle seemed more meaningful - giving both sides more control. Moreover, it is unlikely from the point of view of knightly courtesy that only a few knights on the French side remain on the horse - this could be seen as a violation of the rules of chivalrous virtue when everyone on the English side dismounted. So even if the original agreement allowed horse-fighting, Montauban's decision to use the horse during the engagement was morally at least questionable.

Aftermath

Either way, the battle ended with the victory of the Franco-Breton party. The French lost three men, while on the side of the English were about twelve dead. Beaumenoir, however, to the prisoners behaved knightly, in the spirit of the whole story. He took them to Josselin Castle, but after recovering from their injuries, they were all released for an unusually low ransom (at that time).


Although this military clash had no strategic value or impact on the evolution of the conflict, it remains an unusual and interesting event to commemorate the best ideals of the knight's courtship (except for the questionable horse attack at the end of the engagement).


Diorama

So much for a historical event. I already have the basics for the scene. Over the next few days, I will complete the first composition of the future diorama. I will not use the romantic image you see in the header of my post and in the text describing the 4. phase of the battle (by painter Octave Penguilly L'Haridon, the picture was painted in 1856) I created my own composition. The diorama will show the third phase of the fight, namely when the French, under Beaumenoir's command, first break the English line.

So far, say goodbye, be careful, stay healthy, and in a few days we will meet again at the first WIP.


Cheers Borek



Citation
1 Citation from article - Les chevaliers Bretons du Combat des Trente
http://www.infobretagne.com/combatdestrente-chevaliers.htm

References

Printed Sources
Jiří Kovařík – Souboj Třiceti, edice Přísně Tajné 3/2003
Froissart's Chronicles

External links
Boj třicíti – Palba article http://www.palba.cz/viewtopic.php?f=257&t=3177
The Combat of the Thirty – Wikipedia article, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_of_the_Thirty
Combat des Trente – infobretagne article - http://www.infobretagne.com/combat_des_trente.htm
Les chevaliers Bretons du Combat des Trente - infobretagne article
http://www.infobretagne.com/combatdestrente-chevaliers.htm
Les ecuyers Bretons du Combat des Trente - infobretagne article
http://www.infobretagne.com/combatdestrente-ecuyers.htm
Les combatants Anglais du Combat des Trente - infobretagne article
http://www.infobretagne.com/combatdestrente-anglais.htm
Combat des Trente – 26 mars 1351-

http://ploeuc-genealogie.over-blog.com/2017/12/combat-des-trente.html
 
First of all...your english is better then the english from most of us so....I'd better use Google too....
And second...man...what a project...ambitious and I can't wait to see this proceed. Visited your blog too. Fantastic!
And last but not least...wise to go "underground". Stay safe and enjoy us with your progress of which we hope it will be for sale once.
 
Borek.
I wish I could speak Czech like you sculpt but I cannot, so I paint ( not very well ).
Best wishes in the epic task you have undertaken, following what you create with interest.
Regards.

Don't worry about your English it's very good.
 
First of all...your english is better then the english from most of us so....I'd better use Google too....
And second...man...what a project...ambitious and I can't wait to see this proceed. Visited your blog too. Fantastic!
And last but not least...wise to go "underground". Stay safe and enjoy us with your progress of which we hope it will be for sale once.


Thank you very much Hans for nice words. I hope it will entertain not only me but also you. I think it will be a really great project and I hope that nothing will stop me, as it has happened several times :). Anyway stay tuned, I start probably on Monday :)

Great project!


Thank you so much Fabien, stay tuned :)

Borek.
I wish I could speak Czech like you sculpt but I cannot, so I paint ( not very well ).
Best wishes in the epic task you have undertaken, following what you create with interest.
Regards.

Don't worry about your English it's very good.


Thank you very much, too. We will see how it will be with the epic, I will not make the battle scene according to the color picture, which is still historically inaccurate, I propose my own composition, and see how many figures I can do. Anyway, stay tuned :)


That's huge......and what scale will it be??
54 mm or better 75 :)

Marc

Hi Marc :). Certainly it will be figures in size 54mm. I'd like to have between 10 and 20 figures, and that would be too big for 75mm. And more laborious :D. I hope you keep watching anyway ;).


Thanks so much guys, stay tuned, we starting at Mondey probably :)


You all stay safe!

Cheers Borek
 
This is going to be a huge project!

Had a nice holiday in a mate's cottage near Ploermel many years ago: in fact within spitting distance of the fight's site, but we never heard anything about it. BTW: Josselin with its town square and castle is much more interesting than Ploermel.

Sources vary quite a lot about what actually happened (some of those given seem quite dodgy), though it does look as if the French/Bretons won 9-3.

If your medieval Norman French isn't too rusty you can read the 500+ line poem about it here.

Wiki lists all the combatants (and who died).

Working out the various liveries (if even possible) would be a lifetime's-work in itself! Here's just an odd few (can't vouch for authenticity in 1351):
30-Beaumanoir.JPG 30-Calveley.JPG 30-Knolles.JPG

... and the French side is blazoned here.

Bemborough/Bembro is a mystery and will probably never be truly identified (see Wiki)
 
Nothing wrong with your English my friend. You have certainly chosen an ambitious project and I will be following closely. Good luck and stay safe.
 
Great project Borek (and excellent English) I was reading about this clash in one of the old model magazines recently and it piqued my interest so great to read more details of it.
Looking forward to seeing it progress

Stay safe
Paul
 
This is going to be a huge project!

Had a nice holiday in a mate's cottage near Ploermel many years ago: in fact within spitting distance of the fight's site, but we never heard anything about it. BTW: Josselin with its town square and castle is much more interesting than Ploermel.

Sources vary quite a lot about what actually happened (some of those given seem quite dodgy), though it does look as if the French/Bretons won 9-3.

If your medieval Norman French isn't too rusty you can read the 500+ line poem about it here.

Wiki lists all the combatants (and who died).

Working out the various liveries (if even possible) would be a lifetime's-work in itself! Here's just an odd few (can't vouch for authenticity in 1351):
View attachment 376446 View attachment 376447 View attachment 376448

... and the French side is blazoned here.

Bemborough/Bembro is a mystery and will probably never be truly identified (see Wiki)


Hi Neil. Thank you for your encouraging email and the information you provided (y) . I have been studying the whole issue for some time (we even have a translation of the poem into Czech) and I really like the subject - it is a strange battle that stands out from other clashes of that time. Yes, many things have more interpretations, but often even logically, with the knowledge of the social order of the time, many things can be quite well reconstructed. But the truth is, we will never know the true truth unless we have the time machine :). Anyway, I will stick to the article outlined version of the story. I think it's quite real. Thank you again for a beautiful comment and stay tuned :)

P.S. I will not sculpt Bemborough, I will concentrate on the end of the third phase of the battle - it was already Bemborough out of the game :). Worse, as for the English, only six coats of arms were found, and the other two are questionable. Well, what, in the worst, some coats of arms simply invent or use the romantic picture :)

Nothing wrong with your English my friend. You have certainly chosen an ambitious project and I will be following closely. Good luck and stay safe.

Thanks many times Michael for a nice comment, I hope it will be fun for everyone. I'm really looking forward to getting started. Stay tuned :)

Great project Borek (and excellent English) I was reading about this clash in one of the old model magazines recently and it piqued my interest so great to read more details of it.
Looking forward to seeing it progress

Stay safe
Paul



Thanks a lot Paul :). I think it's really worth it, I'm already looking forward to it. Stay tuned ;)



Thanks so much again guys :). Be careful, stay safe and see you at the start of this project on Monday morning :)

Cheers Borek
 
Hi Borek

Just WOW!!!! ...what a project and what some excellent background information

Getting the seat ready to watch this progress

Have a safe weekend

Thanks for sharing

Happy benchtime

Stay safe my friend

Nap
 
Hi Borek

Just WOW!!!! ...what a project and what some excellent background information

Getting the seat ready to watch this progress

Have a safe weekend

Thanks for sharing

Happy benchtime

Stay safe my friend

Nap


Ha ha

Thanks a lot mate. And why Ha ha? Because of you :) :cool: . I admire your threads (and some other PF members) as you explore the background of each project in detail. So I thought I'd try it too :). Normally I just don't have time, but now is the time when we all have more time than we would like... So I did it. So thanks a lot for the inspiration;) .

Stay safe.

Cheers Borek
 
Hi Guys.

So, everything is ready, tomorrow (monday) 18.00 CEST (6:00 PM CEST) I will start working on the project.

To be more specific, I will just repeat that it will be a diorama of the Combat of the Thirty in 54mm figures, an unspecified number of figures for now. I will create the diorama according to my own design and composition, so I will use none of the existing images of this battle.

I will create a new sculpture thread for this project, in which I will gradually present the sculpting progression of the whole diorama.

The first figure we start with is Dagworth (d'Aegworth).

Arms of Dagworth.jpg

This figure is most often assigned to the House of Dagworth (D'Aegworth) According to this conjecture, it was the nephew of Sir Thomas Dagworth, the English captain, who was the captive of Charles de Bloys at the Battle of La Roche Derrien. He (Thomas) was killed near Auray in 1450. His troops were attacked by a group of Breton warriors led by Raoul de Caours.


The young Dagwort, nephew of Thomas, was to attend the Combat of the Thirty.

I wish you a nice Sunday, stay safe and see you tomorrow :)

Cheers Borek :)
 
From a bit of reading it looks like the most likely Dagworth/D'Agworth/etc would be Nicholaswho is believed to have served with his uncle, Thomas, in Brittany during this period. He late held several important posts until his death in 1401/2.

His monument is in St Andrews Church, Blicking, Norfolk and show both the family arms (Ermine on a Fess Gules three Bezants: that is yellow/gold bezants/discs, not white/argent as shown above-unless this is some form of differencing?) and one with this impaled (halved) with his wife's (Rossall: red field, gold fesse with six gold martlets: but note that he didn't marry her until the 1390s so this is just out of interest ).

His biography is here and there's an interesting account of Thomas and Nicholas here with his brass here, here and here.

And a good sunday to you as well (y)
 
Hi Borek and Neil

Love all the background on this project

Borek don't forget to put the sculpting links here as well

Have a safe Sunday

See you tommorow

Happy benchtime

Stay safe

Nap
 
From a bit of reading it looks like the most likely Dagworth/D'Agworth/etc would be Nicholaswho is believed to have served with his uncle, Thomas, in Brittany during this period. He late held several important posts until his death in 1401/2.

His monument is in St Andrews Church, Blicking, Norfolk and show both the family arms (Ermine on a Fess Gules three Bezants: that is yellow/gold bezants/discs, not white/argent as shown above-unless this is some form of differencing?) and one with this impaled (halved) with his wife's (Rossall: red field, gold fesse with six gold martlets: but note that he didn't marry her until the 1390s so this is just out of interest ).

His biography is here and there's an interesting account of Thomas and Nicholas here with his brass here, here and here.

And a good sunday to you as well (y)


Hi Neil

Thanks a lot for the extra materials. As for the coat of arms, yes, you're right, I took the wrong picture. Both variants can be traced, but I do not think that silver / gold discs are differentiated. In my opinion, the golden discs are really right.

Arms of Dagworth b.jpg

As for Nicholas, yes, it seems likely that it was he who fought in the Battle of Thirty. Although we will never be sure.
Regarding the death of Thomas Dagworth, it is interesting that the various sources mention the years 1350, 1351 and 1352. Some reports suggest that in the Combat of the Thirty young Dagworth fought even to avenge the death of his uncle. If this is true, then we would really have to put Thomas Dagworth's death in 1350. But again, I am not a historian, and even historians cannot agree.

Anyway, thank you very much for your welcome contribution and correction, I appreciate it :)

Cheers Borek
 
Hi Borek and Neil

Love all the background on this project

Borek don't forget to put the sculpting links here as well

Have a safe Sunday

See you tommorow

Happy benchtime

Stay safe

Nap


Hi Nap, thanks for the reminder, sure, I'll add a link to the new sculpting thread :)

Cheers Borek
 
In my opinion, the golden discs are really right.

Hi Borek,

Yes, if the blazon is correct (Ermine on a Fess Gules three Bezants) then in English heraldry they have to be gold as 'bezant' refers to the Byzantine gold coins (French heraldry uses it for both gold and silver).

If fact there was a whole set of terms for roundels (disks) of various colours. In English heraldry an argent (white/silver) one would be a 'plate'.

See here and here (see the online Fox-Davies and Boutell's guides: I still have my 50-year old copy of Boutell on my shelves).

Also Wiki:
R1.JPG


Here's a few more free online refs :confused:
 
Out of interest: I've always liked punning/canting arms (as with Calverley above and also Shakespeare, Corbett, Bowes-Lyon, Armstrong, Shelley, Barry, Trumpington etc) and seeing the barry-wavy 'fountain' (aka syke/well/lake) roundel reminds me of my adolescent plans for a coat of arms canting on my father's and mother's names:

A1.JPG
WELLMAN.......................FORDYCE

My wife is a Lakey, so many years later that then allowed:

A2.JPG


... so much time, so little to do (must try painting some time!!!!)
 
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