I invite everyone to discuss the price for the Samurai archer

TSJ · Oct 28, 2022

Hi everyone,

I invite everyone to discuss prices for the Samurai Archer

1/32 (54 mm),

1/18 (90 mm),

1/16 (120 mm).

I don't have much experience with pricing.

I priced 54 mm for 50 euro, but many people ask for a discount.

Probably such a price is a little expensive for 54mm.

Delivery is not cheap, not fast.

Standard delivery 15 euro 30-45 days.

EMC delivery 30 euro 15-25 days.

1 What price do you offer for the Samurai Archer 54mm 1/32?

2 What price do you offer for 90 mm 1/18?

3 What price do you offer for 120mm 1/16?

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Nap · Oct 28, 2022

Hi TSJ

All credit to you for asking the question , I can't comment as I only do busts but the important thing is obviously not to make a loss during production and release

The cost of shipping has to be considered perhaps but that's something companies have no control over

Certainly be interested in others views

Watching with interest

Nap

Mirofsoft · Oct 28, 2022

TSJ said:
Hi everyone,
I invite everyone to discuss prices for the Samurai Archer
1/32(54mm),
1/18(90mm),
1/16(120mm).
I don't have much experience with prices.
I priced 54 mm for 50 euro, but many people ask for a discount.
Probably this price is expensive for 54mm.
Shipping is not cheap, not fast.
Standard delivery 15 euro 30-45 days.
EMC delivery 30 euro 15-25 days.

1 What price do you offer for Samurai Archer 54mm 1/32 ?

2 What price do you offer for 90mm 1/18?

3 What price do you offer for 120mm 1/16?

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50€ is a normal price for a simple mounted one, so for a Samouraï it's a good price, 90€ for a 90mm

Landrotten Highlander · Oct 28, 2022

Mirofsoft said:
50€ is a normal price for a simple mounted one, so for a Samouraï it's a good price, 90€ for a 90mm

I concur with this assessment.

yellowcat · Oct 28, 2022

For current market price excluding any tax for resin mounted figures:

1/32 (54 mm) - 50 euro

1/18 (90 mm) - 70 -78 euro

1/16 (120 mm) - 90-95 euro

Martin Antonenko · Oct 28, 2022

Samurais are not my favorite subject (sry) but the price woud be ok for me for a historic correct figure. Your figure's bowstring is thicker than his index finger, which is also incorrect, except that it was also attached to the bow differently.

So he's not correct, because his bow is also much too thick and has the wrong form. Compare your bow...

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... with the following ones, please...:

Original:

Painting:

Reenactor:

Figure:

For me historical correctness comes first an then the price. And for an incorrect figure, even a single euro is too much for me.

My apologies again, but I assume you wanted an honest answer. This is it.

Cheers

karlw · Oct 28, 2022

Martin I fully agree. We already had this discussion here . He claimed it's technically impossible to make the bow smaller at this format. why the bow still has the wrong seize compared to your above reference pic is still unexplained. I hope these faults are recitified with the 120mmm version, as he claims. I would have liked some other changes too. for example a different kabuto. the figure has too many similarities to the 90mm Andrea version, which by the way is in my collection ! Other manufacturers like the guys from Revolution , Alive etc. do this all the time. Especially with a digitally created figure this should be easy to do, is a great extra service to your customer with minimal costs and sets such derivative figures as this one apart from the predecessors.

TSJ · Oct 28, 2022

I made thickness of the bowstring 1 mm, thickness of the bow 2 mm.
If I make a natural bow, thickness of the bow will be 0.3 mm. The thickness of bowstring will be like a human hair.
Nobody can cast a human hair.
If the bowstring is thinner than 1 mm.
It will be torn and there will be a spoil.

theBaron · Oct 28, 2022

TSJ said:
...Nobody can cast a human hair....

No, but you could include instead a length of fine wire, of a reasonably fine gauge. I think most painters would probably remove the cast/molded bowstring, anyway, and replace it with fine wire or similar material, even a piece of human hair. I think we've got figures posted here in the Planet that illustrate that. And even if not, that operation is akin to using a piece of stretched sprue on an airplane model, to depict rigging in 1/72 scale, or an aerial in various scales. I use fine beading wire for that kind of application, myself. If you were modify the kit to remove the string altogether, and note in the instructions how to depict it, then personally, I'd still buy the model.

Prost!
Brad

theBaron · Oct 28, 2022

TSJ said:
...I priced 54 mm for 50 euro, but many people ask for a discount.

Probably such a price is a little expensive for 54mm...

Nope. They're being cheap. Though I don't blame them. If a buyer thinks he can get a lower price for something, I don't begrudge him asking. If I were the seller, I would just politely but firmly response, "Sorry, but that's the price."

Fifty bucks (roughly what 50e is today) isn't bad for a quality mounted figure kit today.

Prost!
Brad

TSJ · Oct 28, 2022

theBaron said:
No, but you could include instead a length of fine wire, of a reasonably fine gauge. I think most painters would probably remove the cast/molded bowstring, anyway, and replace it with fine wire or similar material, even a piece of human hair. I think we've got figures posted here in the Planet that illustrate that. And even if not, that operation is akin to using a piece of stretched sprue on an airplane model, to depict rigging in 1/72 scale, or an aerial in various scales. I use fine beading wire for that kind of application, myself. If you were modify the kit to remove the string altogether, and note in the instructions how to depict it, then personally, I'd still buy the model.

Prost!
Brad

Yes, in the first samurai, I did not make a bowstring. And the bow was thin. Everyone changed the bow and tied the string. Who wants can change the bow and bowstring the hair. For 90mm and 120mm, a 1mm thick bowstring will look better.

TSJ · Oct 28, 2022

Delivery is long because I live in Kyrgyzstan, not Europe. Standard delivery time is 30-45 days.

theBaron · Oct 28, 2022

TSJ said:
...Who wants can change the bow and bowstring the hair...

Good, then it's not really an issue.

Alex · Oct 28, 2022

I have decided to pass on the 54mm version because I hate resin figures in this scale.. Too many tiny pieces that will break just by looking at them. I always prefer metal for 54 mm figures.
I would pay around 100 euros including shipping for the 90 and 120mm versions.
I think that it would be important that a metal wire is inserted in one of the legs of the horse during casting to prevent future collapse (all the way through the body of the horse itself).

yellowcat · Oct 28, 2022

This is what happen when you cast something thin in 54mm resin.

From Author Sculpt 54mm seated Samurai

From Mercury Models 54mm Daimyo

Banjer · Oct 28, 2022

I will probably buy the 90mm version but have already decided I will scratch build a bow, bowstring and arrows. White metal castings of these would have been nice but it's not a deal breaker for me.

Bill

harto · Oct 28, 2022

sorry, but i wouldn't buy this figure at all. The horse's legs look like it is rearing on its hind legs rather than galloping. Weight, if on the back legs, should be primarily on one leg more than the other to capture the weight transition back to the front legs. Also, shooting from a saddle means the rider should be standing up in the stirrups with little to no contact with the saddle itself and using his legs as essentially a shock absorber to steady aim as the horse is galloping. Admittedly this is a very difficult pose to get correct for a sculptor but in resin should be achievable.

yellowcat · Oct 28, 2022

harto said:
sorry, but i wouldn't buy this figure at all. The horse's legs look like it is rearing on its hind legs rather than galloping. Weight, if on the back legs, should be primarily on one leg more than the other to capture the weight transition back to the front legs. Also, shooting from a saddle means the rider should be standing up in the stirrups with little to no contact with the saddle itself and using his legs as essentially a shock absorber to steady aim as the horse is galloping. Admittedly this is a very difficult pose to get correct for a sculptor but in resin should be achievable.

I have posted this before regarding the galloping.

Videos showing shooting arrows from the front, side and back position in O-yoroi on Kiso horse

bigtodd · Oct 28, 2022

50 euros is the perfect price for a 54mm mounted figure. DO NOT lower your price!!!!! Your quality is outstanding.

I would gladly pay 100€ for 90mm and 150€ for 120mm.

Ferris · Oct 28, 2022

I really like how you are interacting with your audience Talant. I hope other producers will start doing this too. I think it is a great way to tap into collective knowledge and should lead to ever more historical accuracy. And now you are even gauging the price, great!

I am surprised at the rather harshly phrased criticism above. Martin you must have missed the earlier thread. The bow was discussed and assessed as accurate, albeit it on the thick side for engineering purposes. For a modeler of your calibre, replacing a cast bowstring with an in-scale one should be a simple action. All other aspects where subject of expert discussion. Pretty harsh (and I think inaccurate) to declare the figure ‘historically incorrect’ and dismiss the whole figure on an engineering issue.

I think €50 is a reasonable price for a mounted resin figure.
Would indeed be great to have a pin integrated in the full length of the leg.

Please continue with ‘interactive sculpting’!

Adrian

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