90mm British (Mounted) Napoleonic Cavalry! .. are there any?

[Tubby-Nuts2]

It's always the French's fault
Steve

.. What ? it's a conspiracy ??? ! the French government, are paying sculptors, to only do, 'French Napoleonic pieces' ! ... it feels like it.

Its like Napoleon had no foes ???... other than the Verlinden piece! where are the British, etc, Cavalry ???

Mark

 

[MCPWilk]

The British certainly had colourful dress uniforms throughout the Napoleonic era, but many sculptors cut their teeth on Historex 54mm figures, which were almost exclusively French to start with. British, Russian and Prussian figures turned up relatively late. There was also a tendency to model French figures in parade dress, not campaign dress. The Imperial Guard almost certainly fought at Waterloo in greatcoats and bare bearskins, but are usually shown in tailcoats and waistcoats with white breeches and long gaiters as well as bearskins with full plumes, cords and tassels.

I would agree about scale vs. sculpting: a well executed 120mm figure is more attractive than a 90mm poorly executed one.

Mike

 

[Tubby-Nuts2]

The British certainly had colourful dress uniforms throughout the Napoleonic era, but many sculptors cut their teeth on Historex 54mm figures, which were almost exclusively French to start with. British, Russian and Prussian figures turned up relatively late. There was also a tendency to model French figures in parade dress, not campaign dress. The Imperial Guard almost certainly fought at Waterloo in greatcoats and bare bearskins, but are usually shown in tailcoats and waistcoats with white breeches and long gaiters as well as bearskins with full plumes, cords and tassels.

I would agree about scale vs. sculpting: a well executed 120mm figure is more attractive than a 90mm poorly executed one.

Mike

Also, vice versa! a good 90mm over a poor 120mm! .. I suppose its all relative! and dependant upon the sculpt. Eventually it all come's down to the size and quality of any given piece! and an individuals preference of scale!

Mark

 

[Old Pete]

Hi Mark,
Charles Stadden did a very nice charging Scots Grey it could be had with or without a Gordon highlander holding the stirrup.I do,nt know if it can still be had but you sometimes see it on Ebay.
George

 

[Tubby-Nuts2]

Thanks George! ... I know that piece! ... but unfortunately its 54mm! too small for me to challenge. .. . But thanks for your thought.

Mark

 

[Old Pete]

Hi Mark,
No this is 80/90m as I have one in the grey army
George

 

[Tubby-Nuts2]

Really! ... That's good to know! ... but as you say finding it ??.. I will have a look about!

Regards,

Mark

 

[ChaosCossack]

This discussion has come up before. For whatever reason, the vanquished seem to be the favoured subject for sculptors... French Nappys over Allied Nappys (particularly Brits) the same as German WWII over Allied WWII (again read Brits) even Confederates over Federals. I could never wrap my heads around this concept. Is it not said that the victors write the history. In our case, the vanquished get sculpted.

I don't get it... someone must have an idea

Colin

 

[Martin64]

This discussion has come up before. For whatever reason, the vanquished seem to be the favoured subject for sculptors... French Nappys over Allied Nappys (particularly Brits) the same as German WWII over Allied WWII (again read Brits) even Confederates over Federals. I could never wrap my heads around this concept. Is it not said that the victors write the history. In our case, the vanquished get sculpted.

I don't get it... someone must have an idea

Colin

In general agree to your point of view but some details seem to be more or less up to the eye of the beholder. Brit Nappys outnumber by far still Austrians, Russians (both of course did not see action at Waterloo), Spanish or Portugiese - and yes Prussians, Hesse-Nassau, KGL, Brunswick, Saxony, Belgians, Netherlanders, Bavarians.....I will better shut up about underrepresented Allied and Axis troops in WW 2 - they sometimes even did not get the attention deserved during the war or were used as scapegoats for blunders of the great leaders...
What makes the vanquished so attractive modellingwise but as well concerning historical research? It is possibly not just a newly introduced style of uniform & equipment (that was regularly duplicated by the winners) but innovative military tactics and the fact that they were usually just brought down by superior numbers.
Why are military blunders like Little Bighorn, Charge of the Light Brigade, Ghandamak or last stands at Stalingrad so much more popular (and immortalized in paintings and models) than therefore nearly forgotten successful operations like the Charge of the Heavy Brigade at Balaclava or von Bülow`s Charge at Vionville 1870?
Maybe because we like drama, heroic poses and that image of the fight to the last man. Maybe because it is all about a hobby and not about reality.

Really! ... That's good to know! ... but as you say finding it ??.. I will have a look about!

Regards,

Mark

Mark, you should possibly as well have a look around for the old Ceremonial Studios kit of Sgt Ewart of the 2nd RNBD taking the color of the French 45th Inf Regt. The kit is 75mm and is a nice representation of the painting by Sullivan. the same goes for the mounted 120mm kit of Ewart from defunct Roll Call.


Cheers, Martin

 

[Tecumsea]

Hi Mark, The Sgt Ewart piece is actually 80mm, Ceremonial Studios did a range in this scale-I've got one going on Ebay in a week or two, if it is of any interest to you drop me a PM but I suspect you are looking for 90mm and over

Keith

 

[Tubby-Nuts2]

I unfamiliar, with the Sgt Ewart, piece.. is he mounted ? ... but in answer yes It would have to be 90mm +, as I would struggle with the face, on anything less.

Regards,

Mark

 

[Tecumsea]

Hello Mark-yes it is a mounted piece 2 figures and the horse

 

[Tubby-Nuts2]

Cheers Keith,... I will try to find some images, .. just to 'Blacken my nose',.

 

[polyphemus]

I think these were the suppliers but they don't show the Stadden figures on their pricelists, just this information page;

http://www.toye.com/uniforms-medals/historical-figurines

Geoff

 

[Tubby-Nuts2]

Nope! ..... cant find it ... Grrrrr! ... clearly the choice of this area, is much more limited than I had originally imagined!.. As Colin, and Martin, have said, ... French, over all others ??

Regards,

Mark

 

[Ron Tamburrini]

I unfamiliar, with the Sgt Ewart, piece.. is he mounted ? ... but in answer yes It would have to be 90mm +, as I would struggle with the face, on anything less.

Regards,

Mark

Good god Mark you are looking for Brit napoleonic and are unfamiliar with SGT Ewart Sacrilege my deer chap

 

[Tubby-Nuts2]

Good god Mark you are looking for Brit napoleonic and are unfamiliar with SGT Ewart Sacrilege my deer chap

Ok! ... Point taken! ... 'Scots Greys', ! ... and a big 'Ole Nasty', with a sword !.. Chopping through the French 45th. and had away with their colours!.. taken from, ( Tubby's Concise History of Waterloo)

Mark

 

[Martin64]

I unfamiliar, with the Sgt Ewart, piece.. is he mounted ? ... but in answer yes It would have to be 90mm +, as I would struggle with the face, on anything less.

Regards,

Mark

Keith is right - I stand to be corrected - the scale is 80mm. C`mon - that is just 10mm less. The piece itself is really nice. Otherwise have a look for the 120mm Ewart-kit (mounted) from "The Roll Call". Sculptor was Maurice Corry and it was a great kit (not just the size).
Maybe somebody out there is listening and there will be a kind of re-release of that kit??

Cheers, Martin

 

[ChaosCossack]

Martin
You're right about the blunders getting more looks than the successes... guess it makes for a better storyline. Of late, there is some representation of lesser sculpted subjects... the eastern sculptors are putting out some Russian Nappys, the Spanish companies are producing Spanish soldiers and partisans and the Kingdom of Naples is is well covered by the Italian companies. This could be a hint to the Brit sculptors .
I also agree that the uniforms of the Nappy French and WWII German went well beyond being strictly functional. There are some beautiful examples of the military tailor's craft. There are some great examples from other countries as well... Russia had some fantastic cavalry uniforms as did Austria... Prussian Line and Guard infantry had classic looks as well as some of the smaller German states that had their own take on "standard" uniforms. The British uniform IMHO though handsome, tended to be rather utilitarian and standardized... Highlanders excepted (but tartans are a bitch for most of us to paint ). Not much in the way of unique subjects to sculpt.

It's a circular arguement that has been going on for years... You either paint what's out there or make your own or lobby the sculptors to work in some new areas.

I don't have an answer

Colin

 

[Ron Tamburrini]

T

Martin
You're right about the blunders getting more looks than the successes... guess it makes for a better storyline. Of late, there is some representation of lesser sculpted subjects... the eastern sculptors are putting out some Russian Nappys, the Spanish companies are producing Spanish soldiers and partisans and the Kingdom of Naples is is well covered by the Italian companies. This could be a hint to the Brit sculptors .
I also agree that the uniforms of the Nappy French and WWII German went well beyond being strictly functional. There are some beautiful examples of the military tailor's craft. There are some great examples from other countries as well... Russia had some fantastic cavalry uniforms as did Austria... Prussian Line and Guard infantry had classic looks as well as some of the smaller German states that had their own take on "standard" uniforms. The British uniform IMHO though handsome, tended to be rather utilitarian and standardized... Highlanders excepted (but tartans are a bitch for most of us to paint ). Not much in the way of unique subjects to sculpt.

It's a circular arguement that has been going on for years... You either paint what's out there or make your own or lobby the sculptors to work in some new areas.

I don't have an answer

Colin

There's plenty to choose from Colin , choose wisely and leave impulse to star trek not like I done yesterday at Glasgow IPMS